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Schools guidance released

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Orangeblossom78 · 02/07/2020 10:48

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-53253722

No dropping of subjects at GCSE then. Posting for info

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MarshaBradyo · 02/07/2020 20:21

Tuck yes I was just thinking that about fines

oldbagface · 02/07/2020 20:22

@TuckMyWin I get that and it's heartbreaking. I don't have the answers. Perhaps spot check should be brought in? I don't know. I am just musing really. I find the whole situation upsetting and think there must be a solution that fits all situations to some degree.

CallmeAngelina · 02/07/2020 20:24

My classroom toilets are cleaned just once a day after school.
Our Yr 6 ones are the same, but with 45 children using them.

You all happy sending your kids in for that?

katerobs · 02/07/2020 20:26

No Vaccine, No School

Please sign petition: chng.it/yygJXgWx

Education Secretary, Gavin Williamson has warned schools that do not reopen will face "action", and insisted fines will be handed out to parents who keep children back, as he seeks to get every pupil back in class for September.

Our children cannot 'magically' develop immunity over the summer holidays. There is no vaccine. The virus isn't any less potent. What has changed? What will change in 6 weeks time?

Does this law also apply to the rich and powerful?

Is Prince William and Kate sending their children "back" to school in September?

We should not be sending our children unless they do.

Practise what you preach.

Our children are NOT guinea pigs!

No Vaccine - No School.

cansu · 02/07/2020 20:26

I am also astounded to hear Jenny Harries talking about the fact that some teachers have been able to teach children in marquees outside so this is an option. Teaching thirty year 11's in a marquee in the autumn in the UK?? Is the woman out of her mind? Yes, I can see that-so teacher runs out of building dragging books, textbooks, laptop and portable screen to teach GCSE whatever. At the end of the lesson, runs back into the building to teach elsewhere carrying umbrella and all resources...Her other helpful tip was that parents should ensure their teens social distance outside school. Yes, parents will be picking up their kids and ensuring they social distance. That is very likely to happen. Have any of these people ever been in a school or known a teenager??

Yurona · 02/07/2020 20:28

No Vaccine - No School.
You realize that quite possibly means social isolation forever? Even if its “only” for a year, the effects of social isolation for such a period are very, very severe!

MarshaBradyo · 02/07/2020 20:28

No Vaccine - No School. There’s no way I want school cancelled until there’s a vaccine

Kate
Will you deregister from school until there’s a vaccine?

Yurona · 02/07/2020 20:30

Btw, most private primary schools are long back to full time school for all year groups. So much about the rich and powerful not sending their kids back

CallmeAngelina · 02/07/2020 20:31

W e currently have two classes being run from an annexe classroom across the playground. Been there for years - water/loos/sinks the works.
But no wifi or internet access. Great.

oldbagface · 02/07/2020 20:31

@katerobs the government do not accept petitions that are not official government ones.

Juststopswimming · 02/07/2020 20:32

@katerobs

No Vaccine, No School

Please sign petition: chng.it/yygJXgWx

Education Secretary, Gavin Williamson has warned schools that do not reopen will face "action", and insisted fines will be handed out to parents who keep children back, as he seeks to get every pupil back in class for September.

Our children cannot 'magically' develop immunity over the summer holidays. There is no vaccine. The virus isn't any less potent. What has changed? What will change in 6 weeks time?

Does this law also apply to the rich and powerful?

Is Prince William and Kate sending their children "back" to school in September?

We should not be sending our children unless they do.

Practise what you preach.

Our children are NOT guinea pigs!

No Vaccine - No School.

This is utterly laughable. What if there is NEVER a vaccine? What if there is a vaccine but not for 3 years? or 5 years? or 10 years? Are you planning to keep your kids home until then?

I've said it before and I'll say it again - if you dont like it, then de-register and teach them at home permanently.

katerobs · 02/07/2020 20:33

@MarshaBradyo I am seriously considering home schooling.

oldbagface · 02/07/2020 20:34

@katerobs here www.gov.uk/petition-government

nellodee · 02/07/2020 20:35

Let make this really simple. Let's forget breaks. Say you had one year group, y10, with lessons at 9,10,11,12... etc
Then another with lessons at 9.30, 10.30, 11.30, 12.30 etc.

Now, in my school, we have about 15 classes per year group. It would not be fair to have one teacher teaching nothing but year 11. This would be really, really stressful. So we are expecting most teachers to teach a variety of year groups. The way timetabling works, you end up with a proper hodgepodge. It would be nigh on impossible to have all your year 10s in the morning, all year 11s in the afternoon, because you have to work around part time workers, long term sick folks, NQTs who can't cope with their groups, all kinds of mishaps that mean your lessons get muddled about.

So, you have 1 lesson at 9. Another at 10. Your next at 11.30, because its a different year group. Then the next one at 1. The next at 2.30. You've lost 1.5 hours of teaching time because you moved from one staggered start time to another.

Now, obviously this is a simplification and an exaggeration. But the principle is correct - you are going to lose a lot of teaching time due to staff moving from one year's timetable to another. And we do not have that slack. We do not have any slack. We are already using non-specialist teachers for most of KS3. We have 1 member of staff that we know is going to go on long term sick as soon as she gets back. I think a lot of schools are in the same position we are.

I don't think this is a lack of "can do" attitude. I think it's just thinking logically about how staggered starts to lessons would actually work. They wouldn't. And if we don't have staggered starts, then we have the crushed corridors I mentioned up thread.

I think we will probably try something like double lessons to solve the problem, but god, double lessons are horrible.

EveleftEden · 02/07/2020 20:35

@katerobs

No Vaccine, No School

Please sign petition: chng.it/yygJXgWx

Education Secretary, Gavin Williamson has warned schools that do not reopen will face "action", and insisted fines will be handed out to parents who keep children back, as he seeks to get every pupil back in class for September.

Our children cannot 'magically' develop immunity over the summer holidays. There is no vaccine. The virus isn't any less potent. What has changed? What will change in 6 weeks time?

Does this law also apply to the rich and powerful?

Is Prince William and Kate sending their children "back" to school in September?

We should not be sending our children unless they do.

Practise what you preach.

Our children are NOT guinea pigs!

No Vaccine - No School.

So I take it your ‘worried mum’ as there is only one signature on it Grin

Just dereg.

MarshaBradyo · 02/07/2020 20:35

Kate many do. If you have the appetite for it I understand there’s loads of resources.

It’s not for me but I kind of feel a bit closer to what it’s like after last few months. My dc love school but if people want to home school permanently it actually helps with numbers overall.

MinnieMousse · 02/07/2020 20:35

most private primary schools are long back to full time school for all year groups.

Most private primaries have classes that are half the size of those in state schools.

TuckMyWin · 02/07/2020 20:36

@oldbagface to be fair I don't see the fines thing as being a problem. Nobody will fine a family with a decent reason not to be sending their children to school. I'm sure they even said so when they announced it. The headteachers have the discretion not to. The hardest part will be deciding whether being genuinely terrified but not clinically vulnerable is a decent reason. The government has done such a good job of scaring everybody shitless that I can't blame some for being too worried to send their kids back. Hopefully, headteachers will use their discretion during the first term, and, assuming things go well, those that are 'just' terrified will become less so by next year. And, if it doesn't go well, well, I guess it won't be an issue either because they'll have been proven right ;)
I personally think a lot of the problems have come from the government's frankly piss poor way of communicating things. I dunno, I'm not a communications expert, maybe they did the best they could. But it seems to be that the fines thing, and the PPE thing, is all a matter of interpretation. You'll be fined....unless you've got a decent reason (to be fair, they did say that in the announcement). No PPE recommended...unless teachers have a genuine desire/need, and as long as they can still communicate effectively. That's what it should say. In my opinion :) And hopefully that's what will actually happen?

katerobs · 02/07/2020 20:37

@oldbagface Thanks for the link :). Turns out theres one already : petition.parliament.uk/petitions/319292

user1471530109 · 02/07/2020 20:40

I too don't want no school until a vaccine. It's no feasible at all.

It sounds like the majority of parents on this thread are happy for teaching staff and potentially secondary students to wear PPE. Please make this known to your schools 🙏

minipie · 02/07/2020 20:41

*Does this law also apply to the rich and powerful?

Is Prince William and Kate sending their children "back" to school in September?

We should not be sending our children unless they do.*

I live in a well off area, not Royals of course but private schools and lots of SAHMs with the time and resources to home educate.

Almost everyone here has sent their kids back to school, if they can.

I would bet Prince George and Princess Charlotte will be back to school in September.

There is a sensible understanding of risk here.

Yurona · 02/07/2020 20:41

@MinnieMousse i was answering to @katerobs

  • We should not be sending our children unless they do.

Practise what you preach*

Yes, private primary school kids are mostly back. In bubbles of 15, just like state schools (which is smaller than most class sizes).
Happy to be guinea pigs, lets see if private school teachers ( and childminders, and nursery staff) are all sick in 2-3 weeks (they are all back since almost a month now). If not, maybe the risk isn’t quite as big as many fear?
Vaccines might never happen, and even if, its not going to be quick

katerobs · 02/07/2020 20:43

@Yurona

No Vaccine - No School. You realize that quite possibly means social isolation forever? Even if its “only” for a year, the effects of social isolation for such a period are very, very severe!
At least they may be alive at the end of it.
MoreW1ne · 02/07/2020 20:44

The posts about respect and credibility are just hilarious. If people went by these forums (and thankfully they're not very representative of the wider public) teachers are hated already and have very little respect from the public.

However, given how desperate everyone seems to be right now you're all still going to be relying on us aren't you Grin. And my job is 100% safe! Which I suspect is the part that pisses people off most.

So continue to moan and bash us for our laziness...but dont forget for a lot of you we spend more time with your kids than you do Smile

Yurona · 02/07/2020 20:45

@katerobs social isolation kills. It takes a bit longer, but it kills in a particularly miserable way. Its considered a form of torture for this exact reason.

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