How many people under 40 have died?

[CreamteainCornwall]

I can’t find the figure anywhere, I know it’s low.

@ohthegoats

How many people under 40 are likely to have ongoing issues post infection, issues that will affect quality of life or be life limiting?

That's far more interesting/useful.

Exactly. My friend has been unwell for two months now and is sick of people implying you either die or recover.

@ThroughThickAndThin01

Mners love to make alarming facts and figures up, mainly so they can follow it with “shame on this Government” or similar.

Yup, if there is a stat that can be twisted to make it look bad then someone will find it and start twisting.

There’s a lot we don’t know so claiming there are 1000’s with long term health issues is not correct as we don’t know yet. We know there are people who will have long term health issues but we don’t know numbers, we don’t know what age gender, other health issues who will be effected as there is no data.

@Itwasnoaccident9786756453 the professional advise you are talking about is ICU doctors though. There experience is biased towards those who are critically ill. A small % of any age group end up in ICU and whatever the reason you go into ICU, be it covid or any other illness, you are there because you are very unwell and you will take a long time to recover. This does not represent Covid in the community.
What other posters are talking about is the long term symptoms from a milder infection, which is a completely different scenario.
There is alot of jumping on people for asking about death rates, but I find this understandable as it is everyones main concern in a pandemic, surely? I dont think anybody intends for it to minimise the suffering of those with long term symptoms.

Surely if its 1 in 20 it's a safe comment to say 1000s😋

No it doesn’t 1 in 20 of what? Everyone who has Covid? What was the overall number and then you can work it out?

And what age, were they under 40? Over 80 yes they probably will have life long issues.

I'm not saying life long issues I'm saying on going. A professor at King's College estimated 1 in 20.

The only reason I look at death numbers is that is the only clear data we have. Long lasting health issues there is no data to go on, it’s not that I dispute that there is long lasting health issues but it gives you no idea who or how many people this effects.

@Alex50

There’s a lot we don’t know so claiming there are 1000’s with long term health issues is not correct as we don’t know yet. We know there are people who will have long term health issues but we don’t know numbers, we don’t know what age gender, other health issues who will be effected as there is no data.

The Zoe app does gather data on age, sex, health issues and any test results though and the quote from Prof Spector in The Guardian estimates 200k out of the 1.5 million app users have had ongoing symptoms since the app started, so 13%. It is a reasonable assumption that if their analysis had found a correlation between age/sex/underlying health issues and long tail COVID, he would have stated that.

@Kitcat122 but 1 in 20 of what? What is the overall number? Do you mean the people that have been to hospital? Have these people been tested for Covid? So many unanswered questions.

The infographic here gives you a break down of both cases and deaths bu age and gender along with rates for each area. It is updated weekly.
There is a daily dashboard but that has total cases, total deaths and by local authority area.
www.gov.uk/government/news/weekly-covid-19-surveillance-report-published

@goingoverground so how many people from that data under 40 had on going health issues?

And equally if there was no correlation between these factors, he would have stated that there was no correlation...

Not saying either way does not help.

Also hasnt zoe just been proven to be quite unreliable by including positive antibody tests and exaggerating the level of covid in community? So until they can provide accurate data on both cases and long term effects, I would be inclined to not listen

@Jrobhatch, I have had a recent e-mail from the Zoe people acknowledging that they made an error in including some people with positive antibody tests as new Covid cases when they may actually have had Covid-19 some time ago. They are revising their statistics to correct that error. But if anything, surely treating older cases as if they were new cases would surely understate the extent of long-term health consequences rather than overstate it.

But its 1 in 20 of app users. Not 1 in 20 of everyone who has had covid. Like @Alex50 keeps saying, there is no data, so there is only assumptions. Unless you ask everyone in the uk who has had covid if they have long term symptoms, then you cannot say its 1 in 20. Also zoe is a symptom reporting app so is biased towards the symptomatic, so completely discounts the huge % of people who are asymptomatic. Also not everyone reporting symptoms on zoe will actually have covid. There are so many factors to consider before people start stating as fact that its 1 in 10 or 1 in 20. 10 or 20% of app users, most of which have not been tested, is not the same as 1 in 10 or 20 of everyone who has definitely had covid.

It doesn't seem to be just those who were hospitalised - includes many who stayed home.

There are no official statistics yet on the numbers,
but there are thousands of reports by individual sufferers - including doctors

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/15/weird-hell-professor-advent-calendar-covid-19-symptoms-paul-garner

According to the latest research, about one in 20 Covid patients experience long-term on-off symptoms.
It’s unclear whether long-term means two months, or three or longer.
......
Prof Tim Spector, of King’s College London, estimates that a small but significant number of people are suffering from the “long tail” form of the virus
Spector is head of the research group at King’s College London which has developed the Covid-19 tracker app.
....
Spector estimates that about 200,000 of them are reporting symptoms which have lasted for the duration of the study, which is six weeks.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/07/it-feels-endless-four-women-struggling-to-recover-from-covid-19-coronavirus-symptoms

@Jrobhatch29 thank you for explaining so well 😊 I will leave it now as I am getting boring repeating myself

It seems about 1 in 20 who have symptoms,
not the unknown additional number who have none

It's not just the Uk, or this App - or I would put it down to that;
reports are from around the world

Nobody is disputing that people do not have long term symptoms. It was asked whether there was additonal data on this, in particular with relatiobln to the under 40s which the op originally inquired about e.g. Age break downs etc but it appears there is not.

@Jrobhatch29 The Zoe app does not assume that anyone who reports symptoms has Covid. For symptomatic people who have not been tested, they estimate whether they are likely to have Covid, based on the symptom patterns reported by those who are known to have had Covid because they did test positive. As BigChocFrenzy says, it's not just the Zoe app people reporting long-term health consequences from Covid-19. They are being reported in other countries too.

What is concerning about the lack of statistics is how this will influence employers
and how it could make it more difficult for sufferers to get benefits when sacked

From the USA:

www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/covid-19-coronavirus-longterm-symptoms-months/612679/

"Their reportt_ is neither representative nor peer-reviewed, but it provides a valuable snapshot of the long-hauler experience.

Of those surveyed, about three in five are between the ages of 30 and 49.

About 56 percent have not been hospitalized,
while another 38 percent have visited the ER but were not admitted."