There's been around 40 deaths of under 45 year olds with no underlying health conditions.

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I'm always amazed how so many people on MN know someone (or often 2) under 45 who've died from Coronavirus with no underlying health conditions.

@Jro - if you husband is in a factory with 30 people in one small room without much ventilation and his 30 co-workers aren't good at social distancing, then I think his union should get involved. But at least there is a point to him going - he's getting a wage. Different to having 3 weeks in school at the end of term.
Mooch in Primark? Do you mean queuing to enter a spacious store with few people and everyone wearing masks. Customers staying around 30 minutes as they have been at supermarkets during lockdown. Nobody speaking or interacting? Yes, bring it on. We want the economy to get back to normal and it will boost jobs.

[quote Jrobhatch29]@DianaT1969 its not ok for kids to be in school but it is ok for my partner to be back at work in a factory with 7000 people. That wont raise the curve? Not ok for kids to be in school but it is ok to have a mooch in primark? Ok then![/quote]
The reason being they assume that adults at work, or people in shops can abide by social distancing, or at least not totally throw it out the window.

You're not likely to spend six hours cuddling a stranger in Primark, sitting right next to them, sharing toys, coughing over them etc are you? Likewise, a young child in school isn't going to spend five seconds walking past someone that they never meet again.

It's the very particular level of contact and interaction that occurs in schools that raises the potential for spread. No.one knows for sure because it hasn't been tested very well but it's obviously a cause for concern and a reason to be cautious.

There has to be a trade-off. At the moment, corona is the only illness which counts and the only illness where deaths with it are reported daily. Screening for can eea has slowed or stopped, but this doesn’t matter as it’s not corona. Children are not being educated. Young people will lose jobs in their millions. There will be less money in future to pay for health or education. These all have to be weighed up against the risk of an illness which mainly kills those above retirement age.

So 637 people have sadly died while neither old nor sick.

It's that low BECAUSE of the lockdown and other precautions. It's basically not been prevailent in the community (most people caught it in hospital or care homes). Without the lockdown it could have been tens or hundreds of thousands die who weren't old nor sick.

Your husband shouldn't be back in work in the same room with no SD with 7000 people close together.

I don’t know if this may be a factor but a lot of posters on MN are white and it’s a fact now that more BAME people are affected.

The vast majority (74%) of deaths in the UK from covid19 are white people.

Belgium had the stricter lockdown snd the highest number of deaths pro-rats. Lockdown has not been proven to work. Infections were falling before lockdown.
It is time to scrap the absurd 2m rule -guessing BJ will do just that in the next week or so.
Sure is a good thing to remind people to wash their hands -no downside to that - but lockdown needs to end now.

What are you talking about? Lockdown and social distancing has proven to work.

Interesting about risk of heart disease, as apparently one of the main health risks of lockdown is it could lead to heart disease. Combination of stress and being sedentary I think

Lockdown has not been proven to work.

Do you have scientific evidence if that statement?

Do you mean queuing to enter a spacious store with few people and everyone wearing masks

I doubt very much if everyone in any of the shops opening tomorrow will be wearing masks. I certainly won’t unless it becomes mandatory.

I certainly won’t unless it becomes mandatory.

Why not?

"Belgium had the stricter lockdown snd the highest number of deaths pro-rats."

Might have been even worse without the lockdown.
I'm not sure I agree that their lockdown was stricter either. They were always able to see non-cohabiting boyfriends and girlfriends for example. Their lockdown seems to have been pretty similar to ours, but lifted now to a great extent.

"more BAME people are affected.

The vast majority (74%) of deaths in the UK from covid19 are white people."

The poster obviously meant as a share of the BAME population.

"Education is compulsory for children from 7 in Sweden. Your children wouldn't even be at school if you lived there. "

I don't think that's true. Formal, compulsory education starts at 7, but most go to a nursery before then.

@ohthegoats

I certainly won’t unless it becomes mandatory.

Why not?

Because it will spoil my lipstick! What business is it of yours?

You wont need to wear makeup if you're wearing a mask.

I don’t know any one who’s had it never mind died from it!! I’m more worried about the fact that there will probably be 6 million unemployed by Christmas perhaps even more.

That children still won’t be back at school fall time after the summer.

That the NHS will have waiting times so long they will probably stop counting them.

I think we may look back and say what did we do, it was madness!! It may take decades to Recover from this.

@ohthegoats

You wont need to wear makeup if you're wearing a mask.

Your irony detector’s broken.

I don't read irony when it's followed by snark. Genuine question, why not wear a mask. Civic duty in my mind, unless there are reasons.

@alsohuman - I'm in London and wearing a mask is compulsory on public transport from tomorrow. A lot of people wear them in the streets and supermarkets. I live in a particularly multi-cultural area. I also go to supermarkets around 10am mid-week when there are quite a few elderly people about. I often think I should wear a mask to help other people feel safer in public. I don't expect you to feel that.
It's just common here.

@Nanalisa - don't fret. You are very likely to pick it up in September when your DC are back at school as we won't be in lockdown then. Fingers-crossed you don't get it severely and that the 14 day+ quarantine doesn't inconvenience your family. It could be a more virulent strain by then. We don't know. But lockdown prevented it affecting your friends and family. That's great. But it's still here and Sept to March next year with other viruses/flu around should be interesting.

Come back to realise I got in a discussion with the one poster who can't comprehend even the most logical concept.....to hear them utter the dreaded words

"I am a primary teacher myself" 🙈

Genuine question, why not wear a mask

Because I don't want to.

Because every single decision the government has made about Covid has been rubbish.

Because I have been forced to give up all kinds of civil liberties as a result of these rubbish decisions, and will be blowed if I'm adding 'mask wearing' to the list of ridiculous and pointless 'things to do which infringe my civil liberties'.

I'm all in favour of staying a safe distance from most people I come across in supermarkets, though - but that's nothing to do with Covid.

I've just had a look at the ONS data on deaths up to 20th April by occupation. This was a report updated on 11th May.

We all accept that care workers have had a bad ride of this. At that point, 66 women who were carers, had died of COVID. 32 men who were carers had died of COVID.

They are not the largest occupation group by deaths, but they are comparable for school staff - particularlt LSAs/TAs or nursery staff, or special school staff who have to deal with more bodily fluids in their day to day job than most other school professionals.

Anyway, that's 66 women. 12.7 deaths per 100,000.
At that point, there had been 43 deaths of woman who worked in schools - 11.6 deaths per 100,000.

For men with those 32 deaths, 32 deaths per 100,000.
For men in schools 17.9 deaths per 100,000

You can't blame teaching unions, or school staff unions for trying to protect their members with those numbers in mind - I mean, we all clapped and thanks carers, but 'we' just slag off teachers for being lazy and cowardly.

Care workers have PPE now, so let's hope more deaths have been prevented by that. School staff have been told they don't need PPE. And that they need to work with people who don't understand the concept of social distancing.