There's been around 40 deaths of under 45 year olds with no underlying health conditions.

[mywayhighway]

I'm always amazed how so many people on MN know someone (or often 2) under 45 who've died from Coronavirus with no underlying health conditions.

The issue with protecting the vulnerable is that we can't. The vulnerable need care, which is often provided by minimum wage workers who cannot afford to isolate and who are often agency worker going into several different groups of people. Or people who need to get treatment in hospital, from staff who are most at risk of carrying the virus. Or they have children, or family members who need to work, or attend school themselves.

The only real way to protect the vulnerable is by keeping cases low in the community.

If you disagree, show me a single country, anywhere in the world, that has managed to protect its vulnerable whilst still allowing the virus to run rampant.

I know of two young and apparently perfectly fit men - one was a rower for a prestigious team - both early 20s, who died suddenly and without any warning, of an undiagnosed heart condition.

There may be more of this sort of thing about than anyone is aware of.

deaths in under 45’s are low but you don’t suddenly become elderly at 46
I assume the probability of death from coronavirus is still very low at age 46 then gradually rises, not that you suddenly have a much greater chance of death the morning you turn 46.

I am not sure the figures you are quoting are correct @mywayhighway , if you take a look at the link posted by @Jrobhatch29, it gives a really good breakdown of deaths by age and risk by percentage depending on age groups. This mentions deaths of 450 for the age group 25- 44 and 4359 in the 45-64 age group. Do you have a link to the figures where you got your number from ?

I also wonder about the underlying conditions, does this mean if you are diagnosed with hypertension and are medicated and it is well controlled, so you are no longer hypertensive, would that be seen as the same as someone who is admitted to hospital and diagnosed as being hypertensive a few days before dying ? Both would have been diagnosed with hypertension iyswim ?

@AlecTrevelyan006

This is why schools should reopen in full straight away and the 2m rule should be relaxed to 1m.

We have destroyed the economy and ruined the education of millions of children because of a disease that mainly effects the over 60s. It is madness.

@AlecTrevelyan006

So the lives of the over 60s don’t matter then according to you? And it’s not just over 60s that are dying of Covid19 anyway. It would be outrageous to lift all restrictions just because a certain percentage of the country are more vulnerable.

I think I read somewhere that 25% of us have an “underlying health condition”.

Also there are a lot of people, a lot of people on MN and a lot of parents who are over 45.

You are basically saying none of them matter.

@AlecTrevelyan006 do you have a link for that 20% , I thought that it was 20% of people in hospital had a nosocomial infection, not 20% of the population ?

"Many people would consider anyone under 60 to be fairly "young" "

Don't be silly. You're not young if you're just about to get your bus pass. Not old yes I can understand, but I've never heard someone talk of a young 59 year old.

Also, the list of conditions given by NHS England is very ... odd. It doesn’t include many of the conditions of those told to shield, but includes mental heath and autism.

Please excuse the bad copy and paste below, it is just to show the list of conditions for the those who don’t want to look further. The link is here: www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/06/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-10-June-2020-weekly-tables.xlsx

Received treatment for a Mental Health condition 1,147 8,294 27,706 4% 6%
24-Mar Learning Disability and or Autism 503 6,837 27,706 2% 2%

31-Mar	Asthma	1,793	0	26,085	7%	7%	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 
31-Mar	Chronic Kidney Disease	3,873	0	26,085	15%	15%	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 
31-Mar	Chronic Neurological Disorder	863	0	26,085	3%	3%	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 
31-Mar	Chronic Pulmonary Disease	3,895	0	26,085	15%	15%	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 
31-Mar	Dementia	4,886	0	26,085	19%	19%	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 
31-Mar	Diabetes	6,925	0	26,085	27%	27%	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 
31-Mar	Rheumatological Disorder	868	0	26,085	3%	3%	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 
1-May	Ischaemic Heart Disease	847	0	7,255	12%	12%	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 
31-Mar	Other	18,555	0	26,085	71%	71%

A certain number of children and young fit healthy adults die unexpectedly of flu each year. Every year a small number of children die from diseases the vast majority shrug off, like chickenpox. I’d like to see the annual figures for those deaths to compare against Corona.

I want us to protect the vulnerable, but also get things moving for those much less at risk. Otherwise the economic effects will kill people too. If the less vulnerable can go back to work and kids can go back to school, perhaps money can be channelled fo supporting those who need to shield. I’m aware this runs the risk of creating a two tier system of those who can participate in society and those who can’t, but perhaps we need to accept this - with as many adjustments as possible- for a while, until we have a treatment or vaccine.

@Gwenhwyfar

Ageist.

Is that the conditions of people who died? Because to be fair most of them, with the exception of asthma (depending on how bad it is, I have a friend who has severe asthma and has weekly steroid injections in hospital) I wouldnt consider them to be minor conditions. One of my grandparents has chronic kidney disease. She has dialysis 3 times a week and is very frail abd unwell

@Gwenhwyfar 59 may not seem 'young' to you, but they are still in the age bracket of 15 million working age people, so the 45-64 age group. Many of whom will be still working into the next age group, due to changes in pension age

@Gwenhwyfar

"Many people would consider anyone under 60 to be fairly "young" "

Don't be silly. You're not young if you're just about to get your bus pass. Not old yes I can understand, but I've never heard someone talk of a young 59 year old.

If the 50 year old mum of a primary school child died of covid I'd consider them young in terms of risk! Hardly elderly, are they?

I think the way they are quoting risk level in the article is a bit of a nonsense given we were in lockdown. Like banning driving for 3 months then saying that dont know why anyone is worried about being in a car as noone has died in a car crash for the last 3 months. Surely what matters if people are trying to justify easing restrictions is what the risk level is if we went back to normal.

I meant the one jrobhatch29 linked to

I don’t know if this may be a factor but a lot of posters on MN are white and it’s a fact now that more BAME people are affected. I am BAME and I do KNOW a lady who died at 39 with no underlying health issues and her husband has just come out icu now. I think a lot of people don’t want to accept this is true as 1) they don’t see it happen around them 2) it makes it easier to deal with the reality that it can happen. Possibly why the figures are low officially is because the amount of deaths in the elderly are obviously much higher, this however doesn’t mean fit and healthy people have not died. From my end I KNOW a 39 year old and a 47year old female that have died and leave 5 children between them aged 10-16. They were BAME. Please show some sympathy rather than speculation.

Undiagnosed hypertension is a big issue in the middle aged population.
People can have mild asthma on low dose inhaled steroids, they are not necessarily house bound on home oxygen and close to death Equally type 2 diabetes is a time bomb waiting to go off too. All those with these conditions are at risk, if a low one. Fwiw I've cared for a number
of younger patients whose medical history isn't much different to mine.
Funnily enough there was a thread a few months ago about what people felt constituted old age. You'd be surprised at how many thought 70 was young because their 75 year old mum was sprightly and active. But then again they are not in nursing homes and different rules probably apply.....

Here you go on figures, this was the end of May but they haven’t changed much

40 deaths on total worldwide or in Britain? Do you have a link?

Just to add I met with one my neighbours, an elderly white couple and they started telling me they thought COVID-19 was a lie because they haven’t heard of anyone getting sick from it. I suppose if I didn’t know anyone directly affected maybe I may fall into this ‘it’s mostly lies and is being overly exaggerated’ too. The problem is psychologically when people don’t want to deal with reality, the mind may want to accept others are making things up to make it easier for themselves.

Some on Mumsnet don’t like these fact shared. 48% of deaths are in care homes.

The bottom line is if you are in your 40s and have a young family, the thought of dying and leaving your children is pretty terrifying.

UK from NHS so in hospital

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/06/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-10-June-2020-weekly-tables.xlsx

@Gwenhwyfar

"Many people would consider anyone under 60 to be fairly "young" "

Don't be silly. You're not young if you're just about to get your bus pass. Not old yes I can understand, but I've never heard someone talk of a young 59 year old.

I presume they mean young in terms of ‘young to die’, which it would be