What would you actually like the government to do on schools.

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The demands on this site with regards to schooling are simply incompatible. Schools physically do not have the room or staff to reopen to their normal numbers of pupils with any form of social distancing in place, so it clearly isn't possible to get all kids back to school full time with social distancing in place.
What exactly would you like the government to be doing on schools that is actually feasible?

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-what-are-the-coronavirus-risks-to-children

If you have Corona virus as a child you have a 1 in 3.5 million chance in dying of it.

You keep saying this. How do you know? Because you read it in a newspaper? How was this figure calculated or measured

@HipTightOnions

It’s not too hard to find a link. The one I posted was grim the Channel 4 website facts about Covid.

It was a professor from Cambridge University that suggested there was about 1 in 5.3 million chance of a child dying from Covid

Rowan I agree schools need to get back full time but I also think this is an opportunity to make schools better. It is a moment to pause because we have to and take stock

Many kids aren’t ready for formal learning at 4/5, man6 children don’t cope with groups of 30. Many children’s mental health is adversely affected by school . So finding a way to reduce class sizes, reduce child stress and distress has go to be a useful by product of this chaos

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If you are using this figure in your argument you need to be able to justify it.

It’s based on ONS data apparently, and it seems simply to come from the no. of recorded deaths to date (i.e. during lockdown) divided by the number of children in that age group. This is, as I said at first, is not the same as the probability of a child becoming sick and dying without lockdown, which is how it’s being interpreted. I suspect no-one knows what that figure actually is, although I agree it seems likely to be “low”, whatever that means.

I'm not using it in my argument. I was answering a question you asked?

I did not interpret it that way and I told you lockdown did not have an affect on the probability.

The probability of a child catching Corona is entirely different. I thought this was pretty clear!

Ok Trust cross-purposes perhaps.

The figure was used by another poster and I queried it then.

Why can’t the schools that have space get new portable classrooms?. Do a massive Recruitment drive like they did with the nhs to get old teachers back.
Run part time Classes so all year groups can attend instead of just a few year groups.
Improve the online learning instead of leaving it to individual schools to decide on what to provide.
Actually give parents and schools what their plans are for education over the next 6 to 12 months.

All I hear is problems why nothing can work and schools can’t go back whilst it seems like every other part of our society and business has plans to get up and moving, our childrens education is forgotten about.
So ironic that a few months before if you dared to take your child out of school for 1 day you were threatened with fines and warning that you are risking your child’s whole future as they can’t ever make up what they miss.

Open as normal, anyone with any symptom of cv19 stays at home until rested, windows open, no assemblies, stay in class groups, extra handwashing.

Except many children are asymptomatic, my sister works in a new build school - it is "environmentally friendly" therefore no windows open!!!! And a class bubble recently burst because a child tested positive for Covid - why have the fifteen children and five members of staff who came into contact with the child been quarantined if there's no risk of that child having infected anyone?

Do a massive Recruitment drive like they did with the nhs to get old teachers back.

Maybe because the teachers that left did so for a reason and won't go back?

Honestly, people voted for governments that treated teachers appallingly and you're now surprised that many teachers left because of it?

Do a massive Recruitment drive like they did with the nhs to get old teachers back

Gav has gone surprisingly quiet on this-I wonder why? I suspect it’s because he knows it would be embarrassing.

I know a large number of ex teachers-I don’t know a single one that would consider coming back into the job now.

**Ok Trust cross-purposes perhaps.

The figure was used by another poster and I queried it then.**

That was me butting in lol but it’s all they, we, whoever have to go on at the moment.

The country was in lockdown for weeks, yet still the figures of adults catching and dying of it were increasing in to the thousands each day.

Just because children haven’t been at school, doesn’t mean they haven’t been exposed to it. Parents could bring it back and infect them but we wouldn’t know.

1. Scrap 2m distance rule immediately for DC under 12.

2. Get all primary kids back now. PPE for teachers that want it.

3. Ask/beg teachers who left the profession to come back and help out, as they did with medics at the start of the crisis.

4. Use willing parents with DBS checks in place to help out if short-staffed in TA roles (I would and I'm DBS checked!)

5. Get all Y10 and Y12 kids back to school now. Most of them are in small groups by this stage anyway, but for bigger groups, like Maths and English, split into smaller ones.

All this needs is the kind of can-do attitude that was applied to hospitals.

6. Get robust plans in place right now to get ALL DC back to school in September.

Do a massive Recruitment drive like they did with the nhs to get old teachers back.

Maybe because the teachers that left did so for a reason and won't go back?

Surely the nurses, doctors and other medical staff who came back in the country's hour of need also left for good reasons?

zafferana

Maybe ex teachers don't want to go back - you know, based on how they've been treated for years?

Surely the nurses, doctors and other medical staff who came back in the country's hour of need also left for good reasons?

How many came back?

Those that did came back because people's lives depended on them and then some of those returning hcps died as a result.

Hi Starcup!

It may be all we have to go on but I am wary of the inaccuracy of the press reporting. That figure does not mean what it appears to at first reading.

There’s definitely an agenda to deny the complicated reality of schools and blame teachers/unions when they point out the genuine difficulties.

Fine. Teachers no longer want to do the job, it’s all too hard. No body understands what it’s like for them. Fair enough. Let’s give up now then.

Close schools, for the long term. Scrap the national curriculum. Make every teacher redundant on minimum possible terms. Hire out school space the same way you can hire a conference room at a hotel or a community centre. Give every parent a monetary grant to educate/look after their child (extra for children with SEN or other vulnerabilities) - either online school, with other parents in a coop, to put towards private school fees, hire a nanny/tutor/childminder, pay a grandparent to retire, whatever. Make it legal for groups of children to be together, scrap social distancing/bubble requirements and make it parent’s responsibility. It can’t be more of a joke than it currently is.

Bring in the old style temporary classrooms that many schools ended up having for decades , it will give extra class room space then for the distancing- or utilise village halls etc , ease up on all the testing for primary’s to try and get teachers or TAs that have left back in and allow more vulnerable staff to wear PPE.

I've been wondering why the government can't make a plan to utilise currently empty buildings e.g. libraries, museums and draft in extra staff (trainee teachers?) to get a plan for opening with smaller classes on a temporary basis. It just doesn't seem acceptable to continue what seemed to be a short term, emergency measure now we know it could go on for months.

Ask/beg teachers who left the profession to come back and help out, as they did with medics at the start of the crisis

Try it.

All this needs is the kind of can-do attitude

No, it needs much more than this. 32770 schools need to expand.

Have people taken leave of their senses?

Some of you are really calling for ransoms off the street to be drafted in to teach (????) your children, unsupervised, in various church halls and scout huts?

Sure. What could possibly go wrong.

*ransoms = randoms

Bring in the old style temporary classrooms that many schools ended up having for decades

There aren't enough temporary classrooms or portacabins in the country to do the job. There isn't the space to put them because school grounds were sold off.

Some of you are really calling for ransoms off the street to be drafted in to teach (????) your children, unsupervised, in various church halls and scout huts?

Because it's piss easy, anyone can do it. Ahem.