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What would you actually like the government to do on schools.

585 replies

StatisticalSense · 09/06/2020 20:53

The demands on this site with regards to schooling are simply incompatible. Schools physically do not have the room or staff to reopen to their normal numbers of pupils with any form of social distancing in place, so it clearly isn't possible to get all kids back to school full time with social distancing in place.
What exactly would you like the government to be doing on schools that is actually feasible?

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Phineyj · 10/06/2020 07:55

We have got the youngest teachers in the OECD, at least in part because older ones won't put up with the working conditions in British schools. Making the working conditions worse is not the answer to recruitment.

WowLucky · 10/06/2020 07:59

This, this is exactly it Hiptight, your immediate response is that there can't possibly be any worthwhile changes suggested.

For example, we had a number of staff who were perfectly ready and able to deliver online lessons from the outset and some to whom the prospect was incredibly scary.

There were some safeguarding concerns, which have been overcome and a policy written. There's no earthly reason why this couldn't continue long after Covid, to reach more students more efficiently. We could use it in school to teach children in different clasrooms. It could be used to reduce the massive student transport bill our LA has or to reach the students out of school for medical reasons and avoid the cost of 121 tuition and tutors travelling to them but what do you reckon the chances of anyone actually letting it happen?

sourcreamnchives · 10/06/2020 08:11

Yeah scrap social distancing for kids or reduce at least to 1 metre. Their chances of getting it are on a par with being struck by lightening. Give the teachers PPE

Kazzyhoward · 10/06/2020 08:11

Our village primary school head has been busy making plans and taking the initiative rather than waiting for Boris to tell her exactly what she has to do!

She's already been talking to the parish council about using the village hall (2 large rooms), the church about using their church hall, and the county council about using the village library - so she has 4 potential additional classrooms, all within sight of the school. She's also been talking to plant hire firms and can get portaloos delivered at just 2 days' notice (they're sat in depots because obviously not needed for festivals etc). She's well ahead of the curve about returning most pupils to school and seems to have covered most of the practicalities, even discussing/agreeing more hours for the part time teachers.

Right at the start, many weeks ago, she was talking about education having to do what the NHS were doing re building temporary buildings and using unused buildings (our local NHS is using the function suites of our league football stadium for some consultations/services).

HipTightOnions · 10/06/2020 08:12

Oh I see, on line teaching.

We’re doing that at my school. Even the oldies!

Hadenoughfornow · 10/06/2020 08:12

Marie the blame for the excess number of deaths, The blame for the lack of testing, the blame for the schools not reopening etc etc lies with the Govt.

Every last one of them! THE GOVT ARE INCOMPETENT.

It has cost the lives of over 60k and it is doing immeasurable damage to the children.

The job of the Govt is to run the govt. The job of the unions is to represent and protect its members and the job of an opposition is to hold the govt to account.

Its the govt that is not fit for purpose.

Hadenoughfornow · 10/06/2020 08:14

To run the country Hmm

WowLucky · 10/06/2020 08:18

No, not "just" online teaching in an emergency Hiptight but a willingness to use it widely to supplement and improve the quality and efficiency of education. We were working on using for these purposes before Covid struck and finding an awful lot of resistance.

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HipTightOnions · 10/06/2020 08:30

I didn’t say “just” WowLucky. My school had already implemented changes which have been a huge boon in lockdown and will no doubt continue.

My point is that it isn’t just young teachers who are enthusiastic and adaptable.

whenwillthemadnessend · 10/06/2020 08:36

Open them either part time for all or scrap distancing.

Teachers use ppe if they wish secondary kids could use masks.

Provide porta cabins to ease class sizes.

If needed offer apprentice style paid work to uni students to act as TAs and provide assistance to learning.

HeyBlaby · 10/06/2020 08:38

Scrap social distancing for children, teachers to have PPE if they so wish.

HipTightOnions · 10/06/2020 08:40

Provide porta cabins

32770 schools! How many portakabins?

frasersmummy · 10/06/2020 08:42

I have just read in the telegraph that the draft proposal for reopening pubs makes no mention of the 2m rule.
It just says leave more space

I am beyond raging that they are willing to throw kids education under a bus with this rule., but are not going to implement it in pubs.!!!!

What a shitshow

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 10/06/2020 08:42

HipTightOnions

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kids-more-likely-struck-lightning-22166411.amp

Also in the telegraph but requires subscription to read

WowLucky · 10/06/2020 08:45

frasersmummy, schools are not being asked to do 2m either, but some (most?) schools are doing it anyway.

PleasancePark · 10/06/2020 08:45

For the very comprehensive risk assessment which every school has to complete, to show that measures in place are going to keep my children safe. I'm happy that schools are doing this now and due to my work understand the practical and safeguarding limitations of keeping children safe. I also understand the legal and insurance liabilities on schools, trusts, LA's and the private sector.
I don't want my children or vulnerable family members to be at risk by schools ignoring the risk assessments that are needed.

Locally children are turning up at school with symptoms, dangerous and meaning that staff and other children are now not in school again.
Even if all children return to school, this isn't going to be consistent attendance, it is going to be stop start by other children's symptoms. Parents are going to have to adapt to this pandemic.

Furhowlong · 10/06/2020 08:46

How long till they go back to objecting to the hitting, swearing or wanting too much of the teacher's attention child shouldn't be there.

What about the vulnerable children who go in and get on with the work without this kind of behaviour?

What about the vulnerable children who do do those things? They are still vulnerable. If people are only concerned about the vulnerable children they approve of and the education and mental health of the others doesn't matter to them, they should say so.

HipTightOnions · 10/06/2020 08:46

OnlyFoolsnMothers

That report (in the learned journal that is the Mirror) says “the death rate” is 1 in 3.5 million. That does not mean the same as “the risk“ is 1 in 3.5 million.

Twattergy · 10/06/2020 08:47

So many good suggestions on this thread. Govn needs to mandate opening, even if part time or rota. Ditch social distance in schools. Let parents choose to send or not (initially). And to give schools resources they need to achieve this. Online home resources is NOT school and does not enable working parents to provide for their families.

Starcup · 10/06/2020 08:51

It’s a desperately neglectful thing that has happened. Prioritising the irrational fears of adults over young children. I could weep

This this this

whenwillthemadnessend · 10/06/2020 08:51

Pleasansepark

We have adapted for over 3 months so far.

Now we would like schools and GOVT to show initiative and do the same.

Hadenoughfornow · 10/06/2020 08:51

Parents are going to have to adapt to this pandemic

We have adapted and we are coping.

Doesn't take away the need for schools reopening.

Im whatever for that is safe.

My kids getting 1 week at school each is better than my youngest getting 4 weeks at school and my eldest getting zilch.

HipTightOnions · 10/06/2020 08:53

We have adapted... Now we would like schools and GOVT to show initiative and do the same.

Many schools have completely changed the way they teach, and have made complex plans for wider opening. Many schools ARE showing initiative.

SophieGiroux · 10/06/2020 08:53

Wow @Kazzyhoward your headteacher sounds amazing, wish more were like it