Do families not matter??

[Keepgoing88]

Ok so I can see that shops need to open for the economy but looking at it from most families points including my own what has really changed...?

Many kids still can't go to school, my kids can't play in the park, have any indoor meets, no soft play, no cafes (but hopefully outdoor soon...). After over 11 weeks in lockdown nothing has changed much for us.. oh but from Monday if I want to go to Primark i can....

Sorry rant over

Nope. Seeing family doesn't protect jobs and pay taxes. This is who the country voted for.

Wait - why can't you meet family in the park while your kids play, or have a socially distanced gathering somewhere?

For many people, nothing has changed and it must feel very weird when for a lots of people, things are beginning to return to some kind of normality.

People can social distance in Primark, they can’t at soft play and won’t when visiting family’s houses.

If OP is anything like me then meeting family in a park isn't an option as all our family live 200 miles away. Am also getting frustrated, Primark is opening but big outdoor spaces like zoos aren't. We desperately need a day out and a break.

Agree. My mum doesn't have a garden to sit in, and until the public toilets all open, it's tough to do a 3 hr drive with DC to socially distance in a park (without play equipment) for a couple of hours? Just want to go to my mum's for the day, have lunch, and let her cuddle her grandaughter :( When??????????

Families matter, insofar as the men within them are ok.

Women don't matter OP. Women don't matter at all.

It seems to be pubs before hugs. Which is very wrong in my opinion. I’m not sure if they’re just expecting everyone to do their own risk assessment and break the rules?? They keep saying contradictory things, like it’s not safe for relatives to be indoors and sit on the sofa, but then let Ikea open and you can sit on the sofa that thousands of others have sat on before you, indoors. It makes absolutely no sense to me.

Nothing has changed for us, we cant see family who live far away. Cant go to the park, or farm, or see friends as they cant socially distance. No school - only 15-30 mins if school work sent by the school per day. Cant go to the shops as cant (and wouldn't want to) take the kids.

Yay we can go for a walk

@Catsmother1

It seems to be pubs before hugs. Which is very wrong in my opinion. I’m not sure if they’re just expecting everyone to do their own risk assessment and break the rules?? They keep saying contradictory things, like it’s not safe for relatives to be indoors and sit on the sofa, but then let Ikea open and you can sit on the sofa that thousands of others have sat on before you, indoors. It makes absolutely no sense to me.

Well maybe if you read some stuff and listened a bit more it would make sense. In Ikea even if you did sit on a sofa you wouldn’t be sitting close or opposite someone not from your household for a prolonged period the way you would if you visited friends or family in a private house. It’s not in the least bit contradictory.

Without being rude, I suspect those of you annoyed that clothing shops are reopening are able to purchase clothes at more expensive retailers whose clothes on average will last longer and are therefore not in need of new clothing. For those whose underwear, socks and shoes are falling to pieces or have nothing that will fit, and cannot afford to buy from places like M and S, will be considering Primark pretty essential.

. For those whose underwear, socks and shoes are falling to pieces or have nothing that will fit, and cannot afford to buy from places like M and S, will be considering Primark pretty essential.

Errm in the very unlikeliest of events that all someones pants, socks and shoes have fell apart in the past 11 weeks then supermarkets sell all of the above.

Your nbu OP it very much feels like the women and children are being left to femd for themselves with no end in sight.

Children have been forgotten - I see no reason why our outside farm can’t open when the older generation can play golf. I see no reason why children couldn’t return to school on the odd staggered day when people can go to work. I don’t see why we can’t trust parents to sensibly distance their babies in a baby singing class when adults can play tennis! The children were already having their futures scarified for the sake of the elderly, now it’s just a piss take.

@TinySleepThief
Aldi and Lidl don't. Not everyone can afford to do their food shopping in the supermarkets that sell clothing, and it's not in anyone's interest for people to end up in the queue for a supermarket simply to buy clothes.

Not at the moment know but it’s going to be interesting families are not unimportant for the economy from holiday clubs to family dining to theme parks! I am starting to wi see if the fun but paid for stuff will come back before schools do given the need to save the economy and not worry about the future workforce!

Oh and our local crazy golf has reopened if it’s looks “adult” it’s good to go!

Pubs before schools ?
Crazy priorities

In Germany, where I live, schools opened 4 May, before even most shops were allowed, parks were open
and this was several weeks before pubs, restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Why has the UK government put education last ?
Because it doesn't bring in (immediate) money to the economy ?

Hard to say why - perhaps because only 8% of workers have school age children with no non working parent at home? Or because teachers and heads and local authorities tend to be very left wing so are not allowing the schools fully to open. We should just let children go back without distancing and take things as they come for the greater good. full classes, All at once.

Not everyone can afford to do their food shopping in the supermarkets that sell clothing, and it's not in anyone's interest for people to end up in the queue for a supermarket simply to buy clothes.

Well of course you would queue for the larger supermarkets to buy clothes if you literally had none. No ones saying do the whole shop there but if you or your child genuinely had no pants then what other choice would you have?

"teachers and heads and local authorities tend to be very left wing"

No, just following Tory government advice

If the government said to forget about social distancing, but let staff wear masks if they wanted, they could advise schools to reopen ft and it would happen

The government don't dare give this advice, in case it leads to deaths - v unlikely imo,
but they want to make head teachers responsible if it does happen in any school

@Xenia
That's the problem. Unless teachers and parents are willing to disregard social distancing in the classroom, which the current evidence shows they will not, it simply won't be possible to get more pupils into school without major structural changes to the education system that will take time to develop and roll out. To get all pupils back into school whilst maintaining social distancing will require the conversion of thousands of buildings into make shift schools and the training of thousands of people as makeshift teaches, as well as the acceptance and support of unions in allowing more unqualified teachers into the classroom and asking qualified teachers to support them. Such measures will take a number of months at the very least and realistically are unlikely to be completed in the time that the virus will pose a threat. It clearly doesn't make sense for other industries which are already ready to open in a Covid secure way to be forced to stay closed until such changes can be made simply because some parents view schools as more important than those industries as realistically the choice isn't between such industries and school but rather between nothing being open and something being open.

If teachers weren’t going to be paid they would soon abandon social distancing. Plenty of parents are happy for their kids to return as normal as they can understand statistics.
As for social distancing, if thousands can merge together in central London then I think my 3 year old can attend nursery with 6 other children!

it's not in anyone's interest for people to end up in the queue for a supermarket simply to buy clothes

There are no queues into supermarkets that sell clothes if you go at the end of the day (towards closing time). People tend not to go then as they've sold out of some food items, but clearly that's not an issue if you're not food shopping.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers I agree what’s the point of schools being closed when people are still protesting today, if they had to be back to work and school this would have finished by now but this will go on and on, people getting angrier with little to do.

Of course families matter. But plenty of people are making sacrifices at the moment, not just families.

I also wonder when people have these ranty posts if they consider how their opinion comes across.

What your essentially saying is that your situation is more important than someone working in retail/hospitality/other. Why shouldnt staff at primark have the opportunity to go back to work and keep a job if its safe for them to do so? Why do they have to wait for your child to be back at school/attending play meets ect.

The title of all these daily threads should really be "I'm so angry now that the government are not considering me to be the most important."

Yes we should be discussing a more expansive opening of schools, but everything else shouldn't have to wait for that.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

Children have been forgotten - I see no reason why our outside farm can’t open when the older generation can play golf. I see no reason why children couldn’t return to school on the odd staggered day when people can go to work. I don’t see why we can’t trust parents to sensibly distance their babies in a baby singing class when adults can play tennis! The children were already having their futures scarified for the sake of the elderly, now it’s just a piss take.

This. Couldn’t have put it better myself. When I think about all the things that they could so easily open which would make such a difference to young children and families it makes me want to sob! They have been totally forgotten.