Am I missing something? One in ten covid deaths in the UK?

[StealthPolarBear]

I realise there will bee differences in the way other countries are classifying and reporting deaths, and some won't be reporting at all. But with figures as they stand, one in ten worldwide deaths are in the UK - that is a huge proportion surely.

we are still resisting wearing masks,
we did not have testing available.
our services are poorly funded.

Our government has failed us at every turn

@HotWatBot

The lips turning blue poster was actually shown to be a troll.

There were several - which one did MN.HQ say was a troll?

A lot of deaths recorded as covid weren't they are not doing post mortem and for those who say the don't record it like this they need to tell my sister because the hospital where sheworks are so they clearly missed the memo.

We are one of the unhealthiest countries and a 2/3 of our population over weight . poor outcome for underlying condition and fat people.

People won't comply just look at pictures from this weekends protest

But what we ALWAYS do as a nation people take zero responsibility for there individual actions and just blame the government instead

people won't comply now with 1000's dead so defiantly wont of complied if they would of lockdown earlier with few hundred deaths

Oh and at the mobile test centre near us 1/3 of pre booked test never turned up

The UK does not have a particularly elderly population

but it does have a particularly fat population.

Watching in horror from Spain. I've been out of work and my kids off school in a real lockdown (as in, no leaving the house at all, no garden, an actual police presence and 500€ minimum fines etc) and finally just coming out of it and hoping to get the the uk so I can see my family again

Despite the differing severities of lockdown, Spain's % deaths in relation to size of population is not so different to the UK's (at the moment). Spain's lockdown was ridiculously strict and straight out of the Franco era.

I don't completely disagree with you about the quarantine or the DC fiasco; I think we need a quarantine but not across the board. It would be pretty insulting to require New Zealanders to self-isolate, for example though I suppose they have to change planes somewhere that is higher risk. But you get the point.

it is our unhealthy lifestyle in that case, for one of the reasons,

@Nonnymum

What I don’t understand is how countries with a majority BAME population have the lowest death rates. I don't think it's genes that makes the BAME death rate in he UK High. Its more likely to be socio economic factors

Well this is what I thought too, BAME people making up a large percentage of medical staff for example, but hasn’t that been disproved?

You must be reading the wrong papers, just listen to Boris and his amazing truthful colleagues and you’ll soon feel better. He’s very proud of his record so we should be too - world beating he says. Yay something we are good at.

@3cats

Japan is very mysterious. They did cancel a lot of large events early, but they didn't have a strict lockdown. I've read many theories about Japan, face masks, lack of obesity, lack of talking to each other, good hygeine, the track and trace system. I know someone whose family member got covid in Japan and they were hospitalised despite mild symptoms until they had 2 negative tests. I suspect it may be a combination of factors. I wonder if we will ever know for sure.

It is very common in Japan to wear a face mask in public when you have even the slightest cold. Much less hand shaking, much cleaner public transport and public areas. But this is just my experience of Tokyo.

...and we are STILL FUCKING it up.

Boris was told if we don't get people back to work ASAP 3 million jobs would be lost. He said 'Christ' and at that point ignored the 'science', ignored his OWN requirements for easing up on lockdown and has CHOSEN this level of Infection & deaths. Plus the exponential growth because track & trace isn't up & running.

FMD they've had over 6 months to get that sorted. Couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

He has done what he said he wouldn't and largely wasted the lock down

He has blood on his hands. AGAIN

However, people are choosing to ignore the science & common bloody sense and having people in their house, grandparents seeing families, groups of kids playing together and family outings to the shops for something to do and soon they'll all be open

Fuck only knows how bad it's going to get - but it's definitely worrying because they won't do another lockdown (or lockdown lite as we had).

IncrediblySadToo, I think it was the one that said that the 999 operator told her 9yo son to only phone back if her lips turned blue. I found it really scary actually.

This seems relevant.
2% of Japanese elderly live in a care or nursing home. But another 4% in hospitals (much higher % than the other 9 countries).
Care home % compares to 5.5% in Uk & all sorts of other %s above & below... but Japan is the lowest for care homes & highest for hospitals.

I thought Japan's schools were mostly closed in last 4 months.

I'm shocked to learn that 10% of world deaths were in the UK
and shocked I'm still alive given the (hitherto unknown) inherent risk of being a uk citizen

@AKissAndASmile

Interesting article about Mongolia

Seems they did well because they took action on JANUARY

Japan is very mysterious
we need to stop being a nation of obese window-lickers and become Japanese

@Aridane yes, I thought so too! I found it interesting to read the steps they took broken down month by month. Especially the bit where it said that Boris was still walking round at this point shaking hands with CV patients

Another thing about Japan, although not relevant, do you know who cleans the schools? The children. After lessons finish the children clean the classroom.

From early March, other countries were asking people to not shake hands, cancel mass gatherings and concerts, etc.

In the middle of March, the UK was still doing its very best to spread the virus by encouraging mass events such as Cheltenham racing festival, Liverpool-At. Madrid match, Stereophonics concert, etc. to go ahead in the middle of a pandemic.

Also, Boris led the charge by shaking hands with everyone:

Our government has failed us at every turn
Except for providing a shed load of money to help people stay off work.
My self employed husband got money last money. Very quick turnaround ( quicker than his normal creditors in fact).

I also found the Mongolian article interesting.

However is no way earth the U.K. population could have locked down in January or February though. Can you imagine recalling 100,000’s people abroad for work or business, without confirmed risk that the pandemic would be a problem ( looking at other Sears/Ebola contagions).

No way would lockdown be half as easy in those colder months with the rain against us. Having record breaking sun means people haven’t had to worry about heating or queuing and it was easier to use the hours exercise.

Ii8,000 died last year between March and June. So I think we need to see at the end of the month how this years figures end up.

Isn't the fact that we discharged positive C19 patients back to care homes a massive issue along with the lack of PPE for all staff in care and medical settings? We've only just changed the guidance that all staff and visitors need masks. WSM had patients on non covid wards test positive which lead to the staff being tested where they found masses of asymptomatic cases. If everyone was in a mask it may have helped.

If a lot of health and social care staff and care home residents have had it now that might help slow down the deaths a bit?

China, Japan, Korea, HK, Singapore etc are all thought to have some level of resistance in the community because of SARS, even though the two viruses are not exactly the same.

To the person who was asking about apparantly paradoxical lower death rates in countries with a larger BAME population, it's because the elevated risk is not thought now to be so much to do with ethnicity/heredity per se as about the socioeconomic inequalities that accrue with being BAME in a white-centric society.

Also, the African nations have better developed health reporting structures that we might expect in our lofty British bubble because of previous epidemics of incredibly contagious diseases, Ebola being the obvious example.

I suppose, tbf, there are few care homes in low income countries. Very poor elderly people are in the community being looked after by their families, not concentrated in residential care.

Everyone here talking about taking action early. Whes omepeople on here were talking about CV and wanting the government to take it seriously,.there were numerous posters on here saying we were scaremongering and that there were so few deaths we were worrying about nothing. Pointing out exponential growth to them was pointless as they just continues with the the ' scaremongering' accusations

Even now we have people saying lockdown was a waste of time becasue only old.people died, lockdown is worse, only 40,000 isn't that many,.more from from flu in a year yada, yada .

if we had taken action earlier the cries of overreaction' from the population would have been deafening. People don't understand that overreaction is what you need on a potential epidemic. If done right people will be furious with the government because they will have been massively inconvenienced and the deaths will be very very low so they will doubt it was necessary.
As it is now more than half of the population think the government is doing a good job as' no one could have known or done more '
If you were the government in a democacy , which would.you choose?
Act early and risk being accused or overreacting or wait and see and then encourage the fatalistic view that nothing can be done, it is all out of our control and no one can do anything

**Our government has failed us at every turn

That comment just proves what’s wrong with this country
Yes there are failures but walking in the unknown every country has had failings
The main problem is the population complying that’s why the restrictions haven’t been as successful as they could of been
Just look at what’s happened this weekend people don’t care they want there arse wiping by government
We like nothing more than blame I told you so and this is what we should of done