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Those concerned about ongoing lack of education in Spetember and onwards....

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Weepinggreenwillow · 07/06/2020 08:02

I know there is a lot of differenc eof opinion on this, this isnt about teacher bashing etc.
But for those who are concerned about the potentail lack of access to full time education in September I would urge you to wrtie to your MP.
I have just done this to express my concern. I have never, ever done this before but I am so, so angry and upset about this I feel I need to do whatever i can, even if it will not help much.

This is my letter - to give you an idea....obviously everyone's individual circumstances will be different but the the general ideas will be similar.

Dear Mr xxxxxx,

In these difficult and challenging times I feel I need to contact you to request your help to address a matter of some urgency. I would like to know what the Government is planning to do regarding the current breach of Protocol 1, Article 2 of the Human Rights act which states that “No person shall be denied the right to an education.”

As an example I have 4 school aged children aged 12, 14, 15 and 18. None of them have received an education since March 17th this year. They have had some work set on line to be completed at home but I can assure that this does not in any way constitute an education. I am a doctor working full time in the NHS. My husband is a secondary school teacher.I fully appreciate all the many implications of this pandemic. I understand the reasons for school closures thus far. However this situation is simply unsustainable at this point. I am increasingly concerned that there seems to be no clear plan in place for a return to education for September. Part time schooling mixed with at home learning is being suggested by many schools. This will not provide my children with an education as both my husband and I will be working out of the home and will not be able to support the children with at home learning. I have been told if I instead chose to utilize the key worker children’s provision my children would need to remain in this “bubble” and would not be able to join their year groups on any day they were in school. The key worker bubble will not be being taught proper lessons unlike the year groups and so my children would be massively disadvantaged as well as missing out on being able to mix with their friends. Given that I have been working flat out in the NHS all through this, I find it incredibly unfair that my children may end up being penalised because of this.

Children all across the country are suffering massively. The many, many vulnerable children and those living in poverty are being placed at great risk of permanent harm. The impacts of this on young people’s mental health will be felt for many years to come.

A child’s right to an education is a basic human right. I understand why this has been temporarily suspended in these unprecedented circumstances but this can not be allowed to continue. I would remind you of the concept of Proportionality which applies when a basic convention is interfered with : this states that “Interference with a Convention Right must not be excessive, arbitrary or unfair, or have too severe an impact on a particular group or individual.” I would argue that interference with this particular human right is having a most severe impact on the group of the nation’s children and I would also argue that currently the interference seems to be both unfair and arbitrary.

I am not unaware of the many challenges of returning children to school safely in September, but I am greatly dismayed by the apparent lack of planning and problem solving that seems to be happening by the government. It was all perfectly possible to build extra hospitals (still unused) and to bring back retired NHS staff, but no such measures, or any other creative problem solving strategies, are being talked about to secure our children's futures it seems. Schools are confused, angered and frustrated at lack of discussion and planning from the Government. It would certainly seem as if the nation’s children and young people are a very low priority for the Government.

So please can you tell me, without further delay, how the Government plans to respond to this ongoing breach of a child’s basic human right to an education.

Yours Sincerely

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Weepinggreenwillow · 09/06/2020 06:52

It seems as if the news will not be good, as anticipated - doesn't bode well for September either. Sad
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52969679

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S1nkorSw1m · 09/06/2020 06:55

I am so angry. They are appalling.

Brace yourselves today for waffle, ineptitude, zero planning, non answering of questions and much reciting of the wonderful job they feel they’re doing.

gingganggooleywotsit · 09/06/2020 06:57

What a shame, just read that bbc article... "September, at the earliest!"

Weepinggreenwillow · 09/06/2020 07:06

I can't tell you how sad and angry this is making me. WHat else can we do - any ideas? Ive written to Gavin Williamson and my MP - (no reply as yet), signed the #usforthem petition, sent letter to the papers (ignored!) - what next?

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KeepWashingThoseHands · 09/06/2020 07:21

Also saw today's news that even September isn't look hopeful. The articles below that were taking about pubs opening, shops opening, and holidays.

WTAF!! I'm so angry. It is beyond unacceptable and incompetent planning.

Well I guess I can I take my DC shopping, for a drink and on holiday. Oh wait - that's not educational and I have a job!!

Alex50 · 09/06/2020 07:29

This is madness, I can’t believe nobody is making a fuss about this, this is so wrong.

Weepinggreenwillow · 09/06/2020 07:37

yes, one day they bring forwards the opening of pubs, the next they are telling us not to expect schools to open in September ...or any time soon by the sound of it. I am honestly desperate. If I could afford to I would give up my job right now - just to be able to support my kids through the next year of this shit show. Sadly I cant.
I am so so sad for my children and feel so powerless to do anything to help them. Sad Angry

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 09/06/2020 07:38

@KeepWashingThoseHands don't forget theme parks reopening in July. Apparently it's safe to go to Alton Towers but not safe for our children to get an education at school.

Weepinggreenwillow · 09/06/2020 07:43

well isn't it all lovely, as keepwashing says , lets all take our dc off shopping, for Mc Donalds, to Alton Towers and finish off with a pint at the pub....oh wait we will all be at bloody work and dc will be sat at home on their own watching TV.....
I am tempted to just let my teenagers off our to wander around at will. They meet all their friends at Alton Towers, then go off on a shopping trip together .... because lets face it there is bugger alll else for them to do and at least that way they would be getting some social interaction if nothing else.
My children have been so good throughout all this, not complained once, not broken a single "rule" , you can see how down and emotivated they are now. And for what - to be totally forgotten by the government.
It is beyond a disgrace. really I cant recall ever being this angry.

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S1nkorSw1m · 09/06/2020 07:45

Weeping me too. Their mental health is suffering. Stuff this. I’m not keeping them locked up anymore.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 09/06/2020 07:47

Just watched a deeply frustrating interview on BBC breakfast with some minister or other which I had to turn off before I threw something at the television. At no point did Louise Minchin express any concern about the sheer volume of education that these children are missing.

And i wish they'd stop waffling on about primary schools. What about the millions of teenagers we are plunging into mental health crises an complete alienation from education?

Weepinggreenwillow · 09/06/2020 07:50

I have just submitted a question to the briefing asking what the government plans to do about the growing mental health cirsis in the nations children and young people caused by ongoing lack of school.....
Given how stretched CAMHS was before (I used to work in CAMHS) and the fact that services are now reduced not sure how they will cope....
Of course the question will be ignored as always...but hey!

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Chaotic45 · 09/06/2020 07:52

@Weepinggreenwillow and everyone else who is fuming about this I totally agree and I feel exactly the same.

I'm also frustrated that the emphasis is constantly on primary schools rather than secondaries. Plus the media doesn't seem bothered by this compared to other issue for some unfathomable reason.

I'm so angry that I would consider marching!!

Punxsutawney · 09/06/2020 07:58

For my Ds school was the only place that he went. The rest of his life was already totally isolated. He has no friends to start to meet up with now or during the summer holidays. He's lost over a stone during lockdown, he's now worryingly underweight.

I'm really concerned that if I can't get him back to school in September he will never return.

SarahMused · 09/06/2020 08:05

Is there any chance of a legal challenge because children are having their right to an education taken away disproportionately? The only other hope is that we can see from the success other countries such as Sweden and Iceland which kept schools for children open all the way through that it is actually possible. If they aren’t careful we will end up with kids in unregistered childcare so that parents can work before they go bankrupt.

gingganggooleywotsit · 09/06/2020 09:06

It's just appalling, my dd13 is developing an unhealthy screen addiction, in lock down and has lost motivation to work hard. I simply can't bear to live like this for another 3 months.

Napqueen1234 · 09/06/2020 09:10

@Weepinggreenwillow is the usforthem an online petition and if so do you have a link? I’d like to support it but can’t find anything anywhere. Thanks!

Chaotic45 · 09/06/2020 09:41

I think it's worth trying to take a practical approach in that Id plan A of getting back into school isn't feasible, we should at least be campaigning for a half decent plan B- so decent home teaching, contact, feedback etc..

I appreciate some schools are providing this, but many including my DC's secondary are giving a woeful attempt at home schooling. We know it can be done so much better, and this should be encouraged.

Weepinggreenwillow · 09/06/2020 09:52

@Napqueen1234 it's here: www.usforthem.co.uk/

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cyclingmad · 09/06/2020 09:57

What do you want schools to do? They dont have the space to have everyone back and social distancing at the same time. They also dont have resources to teach in class and then also provide online teaching. So again what do you want?

Are you prepared to drop social distancing all the together?

milveycrohn · 09/06/2020 09:57

They need to end the 2 metre social distancing rule first.
The WHO recommended 1 metre, but some countries chose 1 metre, some 1.5 metre and some, like us, 2 metre.
It is impossible to repopen schools if the 2 metre rule is continued.
To leave it to schools is unworkable.
Personally, I was always against closing schools, because it not only affects the education of the children concerned, but has a wider affect on society as a whole, with parents expected to homeschool their children while also working from home.
If parents were as good as teachers at schooling, then why do we have schools and teachers in the first place? Presumably because teachers have been trained, schools have facilities, (libraries, gyms). SO, I think all the silly rules should be ended.
If you check the ONS website, you can see that young people and children under 19 are very rarely affeceted by the virus.

Napqueen1234 · 09/06/2020 10:03

@cyclingmad I feel we either need to go with the WHO advice of 1m which is more workable or drop social distancing in school all together. Ultimately people may need to choose between their children attending school or seeing older/vulnerable relatives. The priority needs to shift to our children and young people as they are being desperately let down.

SudokuBook · 09/06/2020 10:09

The 2m rule is total shite. Apparently 1m doubles the risk of spread compared to 2m. But when you look at the figures, ie from a 1.3% to a 2.6% risk, it’s pretty minimal

Weepinggreenwillow · 09/06/2020 10:13

cyclingmad in brief yes I would be happy for no social distancing between children in school.

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KeepWashingThoseHands · 09/06/2020 10:18

@cyclingmad

Are you suggesting every option has been considered? Part-time schooling, auxiliary buildings, plans to deploy teachers and TAs in different ways. It is not my job to do the thinking for the GOVERNMENT - I have a job already.

In not long we managed to build extra hospitals, sign up hundreds of thousands of NHS volunteers and DBS check them, 'recruitment drive' to get NHS workers back from retirement etc.

What logistics have been considered for schools beyond social distancing and bubbles, and a load of inconsistent guidance to heads.

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