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Those concerned about ongoing lack of education in Spetember and onwards....

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Weepinggreenwillow · 07/06/2020 08:02

I know there is a lot of differenc eof opinion on this, this isnt about teacher bashing etc.
But for those who are concerned about the potentail lack of access to full time education in September I would urge you to wrtie to your MP.
I have just done this to express my concern. I have never, ever done this before but I am so, so angry and upset about this I feel I need to do whatever i can, even if it will not help much.

This is my letter - to give you an idea....obviously everyone's individual circumstances will be different but the the general ideas will be similar.

Dear Mr xxxxxx,

In these difficult and challenging times I feel I need to contact you to request your help to address a matter of some urgency. I would like to know what the Government is planning to do regarding the current breach of Protocol 1, Article 2 of the Human Rights act which states that “No person shall be denied the right to an education.”

As an example I have 4 school aged children aged 12, 14, 15 and 18. None of them have received an education since March 17th this year. They have had some work set on line to be completed at home but I can assure that this does not in any way constitute an education. I am a doctor working full time in the NHS. My husband is a secondary school teacher.I fully appreciate all the many implications of this pandemic. I understand the reasons for school closures thus far. However this situation is simply unsustainable at this point. I am increasingly concerned that there seems to be no clear plan in place for a return to education for September. Part time schooling mixed with at home learning is being suggested by many schools. This will not provide my children with an education as both my husband and I will be working out of the home and will not be able to support the children with at home learning. I have been told if I instead chose to utilize the key worker children’s provision my children would need to remain in this “bubble” and would not be able to join their year groups on any day they were in school. The key worker bubble will not be being taught proper lessons unlike the year groups and so my children would be massively disadvantaged as well as missing out on being able to mix with their friends. Given that I have been working flat out in the NHS all through this, I find it incredibly unfair that my children may end up being penalised because of this.

Children all across the country are suffering massively. The many, many vulnerable children and those living in poverty are being placed at great risk of permanent harm. The impacts of this on young people’s mental health will be felt for many years to come.

A child’s right to an education is a basic human right. I understand why this has been temporarily suspended in these unprecedented circumstances but this can not be allowed to continue. I would remind you of the concept of Proportionality which applies when a basic convention is interfered with : this states that “Interference with a Convention Right must not be excessive, arbitrary or unfair, or have too severe an impact on a particular group or individual.” I would argue that interference with this particular human right is having a most severe impact on the group of the nation’s children and I would also argue that currently the interference seems to be both unfair and arbitrary.

I am not unaware of the many challenges of returning children to school safely in September, but I am greatly dismayed by the apparent lack of planning and problem solving that seems to be happening by the government. It was all perfectly possible to build extra hospitals (still unused) and to bring back retired NHS staff, but no such measures, or any other creative problem solving strategies, are being talked about to secure our children's futures it seems. Schools are confused, angered and frustrated at lack of discussion and planning from the Government. It would certainly seem as if the nation’s children and young people are a very low priority for the Government.

So please can you tell me, without further delay, how the Government plans to respond to this ongoing breach of a child’s basic human right to an education.

Yours Sincerely

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Weepinggreenwillow · 09/06/2020 19:27

sleepy sorry that has been a stress for you. We seem to have got a bit derailed from the orignal point of the thread but you must be glad though that at least your dc is getting to go back to school. I hope he has a positive expereince.

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wonderfullife123 · 09/06/2020 19:43

@SarahMused 'Is there any chance of a legal challenge because children are having their right to an education taken away disproportionately?'

Yes. I am aware that a legal route is being considered.

flumposie · 09/06/2020 19:48

@sleepydragons our head has decided that pupils should wear their own clothes instead of uniforms on the basis that pupils often wear the same blazer and tie all week, whereas every day clothes tend to be changed more frequently.

KeepWashingThoseHands · 09/06/2020 20:17

@0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h

This thread is not about children's education VERSUS the safety of others in a high risk category.

Two things that need decoupling. People (ie. some grandparents) who need to shield can continue to do so, as I assume they will with the opening of shops, flights, pubs etc. Or have I missed that everyone shielding will be checked and not permitted entry to those things?

Given the terrible death rate occurred when all schools were in fact closed, think you need to be looking at government policy and actions (or lack thereof) as one of the reasons for that.

This is our new normal until a vaccine is developed (could be a long way off) and/or better therapeutics. Closing schools with no better provision than what is currently offered for 6+ months, but havjng non-essential amusements open is not acceptable to me. Maybe it is to you.

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Great thread OP. Email sent to my MP and communication to the Head of my DCs school (who is doing a good job).

sleepydragons · 09/06/2020 20:26

[quote flumposie]@sleepydragons our head has decided that pupils should wear their own clothes instead of uniforms on the basis that pupils often wear the same blazer and tie all week, whereas every day clothes tend to be changed more frequently.[/quote]
@flumposie that's the best way I think, it's just expensive for us.

CountessFrog · 09/06/2020 20:36

Hugs to you, sleepy dragon.

We didn’t have a huge amount of money when I was growing up, and there were times when the only clothes I had was my school uniform.

People have no clue.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2020 20:47

The government should be prioritising the return of schools, before pubs & restaurants

I live in Germany, where schools reopened 4 May, before even most shops were allowed to reopen

If R0 may rise with any relaxation, use the wiggle room for schools first, NOW,
then wait a few weeks to see if pubs etc can open

People can eat & drink at home, but getting an education at home is much more difficult

0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h · 09/06/2020 20:51

keepwashing

Given the terrible death rate occurred when all schools were in fact closed, think you need to be looking at government policy and actions (or lack thereof) as one of the reasons for that.

You do realise it takes a number of weeks to die from this disease, don't you?

I don't think you do. That is scary.

wonderfullife123 · 09/06/2020 20:51

@BigChocFrenzy - absolutely.

Weepinggreenwillow · 09/06/2020 21:20

bigcjo absolutely agree. How can the welfare of the nations children not be seen as a priority.

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Weepinggreenwillow · 09/06/2020 21:21

Auto correct fail! Bigchoc sorry.

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Barbie222 · 09/06/2020 21:25

People have no clue.

Luckily, a full wardrobe for a schoolchild is available for a lot less than £150.

Hmm
sleepydragons · 09/06/2020 22:04

@Barbie222

People have no clue.

Luckily, a full wardrobe for a schoolchild is available for a lot less than £150.

Hmm

Including shoes? Two hoodies, pair of non-school shoes, 5 t-shirts (multipack) and 3 pairs of jeans?
CountessFrog · 09/06/2020 22:11

Some people don’t even have that. I’m sure they’d appreciate your emoji.

I’m in a fortunate position nowadays, however I’ve never lost my ability to empathise.

KeepWashingThoseHands · 09/06/2020 22:12

@0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h

I do know that. I work in drug discovery - what are your medical and scientific qualifications?

I think you need to be asking the govt why they didn't lockdown earlier and messed up testing early on etc. to understand one of the many factors contributing to the death rate before you start detailing threads with utter nonsense.

CountessFrog · 09/06/2020 22:21

😂

JimmyGrimble · 09/06/2020 22:33

[quote KeepWashingThoseHands]@0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h

This thread is not about children's education VERSUS the safety of others in a high risk category.

Two things that need decoupling. People (ie. some grandparents) who need to shield can continue to do so, as I assume they will with the opening of shops, flights, pubs etc. Or have I missed that everyone shielding will be checked and not permitted entry to those things?

Given the terrible death rate occurred when all schools were in fact closed, think you need to be looking at government policy and actions (or lack thereof) as one of the reasons for that.

This is our new normal until a vaccine is developed (could be a long way off) and/or better therapeutics. Closing schools with no better provision than what is currently offered for 6+ months, but havjng non-essential amusements open is not acceptable to me. Maybe it is to you.

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Great thread OP. Email sent to my MP and communication to the Head of my DCs school (who is doing a good job).

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But surely the reason why amusements will open is because they can be socially distanced?
Infections can rip through a school community very quickly which is why schools were closed.
I think all of you need to direct your energies into what you can change rather than getting yourselves worked up about what you can’t. There will be no schooling for other than R1 & 6 until at least September. You need to think of how to mitigate this for your kids instead of frothing and moaning and maybe making them even more anxious. Feeling sad and missing friends is not a mental health crisis. It’s feeling sad and bored.

CountessFrog · 09/06/2020 22:37

Is that like how feeling sad because you’ve lost a parent isn’t actually bad for your mental health, it’s just feeling sad?

It’s good to have an expert on board.

0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h · 09/06/2020 22:37

keep

Then you would know that it's irrelevant exactly what was happening when people were dying-what matters is what was happening 3-6 weeks earlier. I have personally never read a post as woefully nonsensical as yours and I can only think you (a) answer the phone or (b) are part of the reason we have such a poor result in this country or (c) it's just not your area of expertise and you're extrapolating badly.

JimmyGrimble · 09/06/2020 22:40

@CountessFrog

Is that like how feeling sad because you’ve lost a parent isn’t actually bad for your mental health, it’s just feeling sad?

It’s good to have an expert on board.

How very flippant and unkind about what must be a great loss in any child’s life. As far as I’m aware, nobody on ANY of these threads has said that their child is in crisis due to bereavement. For the rest, life will go on, schools will reopen, things will go back to some semblance of normality.
Barbie222 · 09/06/2020 22:41

I think all of you need to direct your energies into what you can change rather than getting yourselves worked up about what you can’t.

Well said, time for a can-do attitude without all this negativity.

JimmyGrimble · 09/06/2020 22:43

@Barbie222

I think all of you need to direct your energies into what you can change rather than getting yourselves worked up about what you can’t.

Well said, time for a can-do attitude without all this negativity.

Indeed Barbie. If only there was more positivity we could all come through it together without all this unpleasantness.
penguinsbegin · 09/06/2020 22:46

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Weepinggreenwillow · 10/06/2020 08:12

jimmygrimble
"Infections can rip through a school community very quickly which is why schools were closed."

This is definitely NOT why schools were closed and please could you link to your evidence that COVID can rip through a school community very quickly, as all of the meany studies and statistics I have read would suggest otherwise.

"You need to think of how to mitigate this for your kids instead of frothing and moaning and maybe making them even more anxious. Feeling sad and missing friends is not a mental health crisis. It’s feeling sad and bored."

I am most certainly not "frothing and moaning" I am taking proactive steps to fight for my children's well being and their right to an education.

And again I would like to see your evidence suggesting there is not a menatl health crisis amongst young people as a result of this. I am a doctor, a Psychiatrist in fact with many, many years expereince of working in CAMHS. My own observations over the past weeks, and again the many reports and studies I have ready all clearly demonstrate the huge negative imapct this is having on young people's mental health. Yes, some are more affeected than others, and yes as parents we can certainly do our best to limit this damage, but believe me there absolutely most defintiely will be a mental health cirisis for many, many young poeple as a result of this and the effects will be felt for many, many years.

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CountessFrog · 10/06/2020 08:17

Thanks weeping willow. I also work in psychiatry (I’m not a psychiatrist though) and it’s astonishing isn’t it, that despite all of the ‘awareness’ of mental health, and schools/teachers alluding to ‘the children’s wellbeing,’ it is clearly evident that there is a huge level of ignorance around this.

Jimmy’s post illustrates this quite breathtakingly.