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Can’t see how children will be able to go back to school in 2021

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Ouchy · 06/06/2020 18:43

Let’s face it. The R0 may not be controlled for months. Vaccine unlikely until 2021. Teaching unions up in arms. People unwilling to accept the risk of the virus (low for many). I’m getting more and more concerned and the government haven’t published any forward plans for how school can be restarted in the various scenarios we may be facing come September (have they?). What on earth are the DfE and the Education Secretary doing during the working week if they’re not planning this stuff? Is there something I’ve missed - am I mistaken? I’m getting more and more concerned. The children are low risk - there needs to be a plan and fast as their educations and social development are being kind of ignored for something they’re super low risk for as individuals themselves. Looking for reassurance really - am I mistaken or being silly?

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Tiktokcringeydance · 07/06/2020 11:25

polly
This was what I was wondering (about year 10) but then what's the knock on effect for current year 9 who will be starting (in whatever guise) their gcse curriculum in September...?

EnlightenedOwl · 07/06/2020 11:49

@Parker231

If the plan is remote learning into the September term, what is going to happen with employees being back at their workplaces. Employers aren’t going to facilitate employees staying at home indefinitely
This is the problem plus getting people back to work who think the virus is lurking in every corner
Lostmyshityear9 · 07/06/2020 11:59

I didn’t think it was possible to be more disappointed in the government

I'll disclaimer before I start that I am not impressed with the Government at all and this is not me sticking up for them.

However, this is an - much overused word - unprecedented situation and is ever evolving and changing. There is not much to go off in terms of what might happen - other than looking at the Spanish flu situation a 100 years ago post war with poorer nutrition and without the benefits of technology - so trying to predict today what might be 'best fit' in September is a bit like nailing the proverbial jelly to the wall. They just don't know. And if they don't know, they're not going to tell us because with reference to the Department for Education's 41 changes to the guidance in a week, it's pointless - and impossible - asking schools to plan for 53 possibilities (made up number) when only one is going to go ahead.

It has been clear to me from the outset that September was always in jepoardy. I am not sure why parents generally seem not to be thinking the same as me. struggling. If the evidence is that there is no significant upsurge in cases after schools have sort of, possibly, maybe gone back then we might find a gung-ho, fuck it for the sake of the economy, let's have all the primary kids back in and tell the teachers they have to do the impossible which is enforce social distancing. School staff death will just have to be collateral damage and we will console ourselves with the (hideous) well, must have had an undiagnosed, underlying condition they were going to die of soon anyway. Although see below about Academy's.

Secondary, however, is a different kettle of fish. Behaviour can be difficult in all but the best schools. Corridors weren't built for social distancing, neither were classrooms. Days have not been organised with social distancing in mind - some schools can shove 800 kids through lunch in 30 minutes, for example, and we will be resistant to working longer hours for the forseeable along with everything else (and when shouting at me for that, please remember that many, many of us are parents too and facing exactly the same issues as you). 1000 plus kids, many of whom will be adult sized - so can no longer do the kid's dont transmit it argument - plus may be 80 plus adults and it is a massive headache. School staff infection and deaths will be inevitable - and you know what, given that many schools are now academys/private companies - they are going to have to be very careful in how they manage the health and safety of their staff if they don't want legal claims in the future. Add to that the possibilities of localised lock downs, second waves, longer term full lock down......

It seems to me that at some point, we will be told to plan for part in-school, part-at home school for secondary. But they won't do that until they are absolutely certain that there will be no other way. I predict that will happen around 25th August, give or take a few days, and teachers will lose the end of the holiday in school trying to work out how it will look in their environment. Provision will vary according to the school - size, number of students, number of staff who are shielding or who have shielding family members they live with plus vulnerable staff - but it seems likely we will be needing to see students in school for some of the time and provide some other form of learning for them the rest of the time to do be done from home. It may be that this gives shielding staff a reason to be at home which would be amazing for them and would help the very obvious conundrum of how do you teach both online and in school at the same time. Students recognised as genuinely vulnerable/at risk, possibly with some support and risk assessment jointly with Social Services, will be in school full time. The Government will need to provide the financial support necessary to make this work - purchase of relevant IT packages, for example, and someone making Oak Academy better than it currently is (in my subject, it is good but very, very patchy), possibly funding for extra working hours for some teachers as well as consider how it can help families with limited internet access (Corbyn's internet for all not looking quite so daft now, eh?!).

On that anticipated fateful day in August, the Government will probably announce what they intend to do for the current year 10s and 12s as well. Cue re-work of schemes of work and mass panic amongst teachers working with exam classes.

Can't wait Confused

Appuskidu · 07/06/2020 12:04

I predict that will happen around 25th August

You are so right there!!

salemcat · 07/06/2020 12:12

In my part of Scotland we are back August 13th, but other than telling us it will be blended learning , we do not know much more yet.
My DCs school have been doing a great job with work on seesaw 5 days a week, but it's been hard to get DC to engage as they are dyslexic & thrive on teacher interaction rather than parent.
We are also left wonder what will happen when I go back to University in September as no after school clubs/ breakfast clubs will be available & no one to watch DC when it is their days to be at home due to DH being a key worker & unable to work from home.

Blackbear19 · 07/06/2020 12:14

Just so I can follow the comments, which year sit GCSEs Year 10? A levels year 12?

Scotland its 4th Year at High school that do Nat5, 5th Year do Highers, 6th Year usually a mix of Highers and Advanced Highers.

Iggi999 · 07/06/2020 12:16

Salemcat the keyworker provision should still apply, assuming your area doesn't insist both parents are key workers. Our wraparound clubs have said they don't know what will happen yet, they haven't said definitely not opening.

pollyskettles · 07/06/2020 12:18

@Blackbear19

Just so I can follow the comments, which year sit GCSEs Year 10? A levels year 12?

Scotland its 4th Year at High school that do Nat5, 5th Year do Highers, 6th Year usually a mix of Highers and Advanced Highers.

GCSEs - year 11 A levels - year 13
CKBJ · 07/06/2020 12:19

Lostmyshityear9 I agree with what you say. As I’ve previously stated further back in the thread blended learner is very likely what’ll happen so why doesn’t the DfE just come out with it saying this is the likely scenario, allowing teachers to use the next 2 months constructively and stop the parents guessing game.

Lostmyshityear9 · 07/06/2020 12:24

As I’ve previously stated further back in the thread blended learner is very likely what’ll happen so why doesn’t the DfE just come out with it saying this is the likely scenario, allowing teachers to use the next 2 months constructively and stop the parents guessing game

Because it might not happen that way? Because what the Government doesn't want to be seen to do is back track? Because it's not helpful to say today 'blended learning in September' if by some kind of miracle, it is clear we will be entirely virus free by October? (That's remembering there is still the vaccine hope to cling to). I don't think it's helpful to us as professionals to keep changing the goal posts and nor is it helpful to parents to promise something that for millions of reasons, might not happen.

It might materialise as a very worst case scenario, however, so that come end of August we're all relieved it's blended learning?!

CKBJ · 07/06/2020 12:42

Hear what you are saying about the government not wanting to be seen to backtrack but I still believe they could set up a Scenario A will be blah blah blah but this and that need to be met and Scenario B will be blah blah blah if the above criteria is not met. That would be adopting an honest adult approach but hardly any (maybe none of them!) in government (leading and shadow)seem to have the ability to do that.

CountessFrog · 07/06/2020 13:05

Yes that would be sensible and logical would t it?!

Blackbear19 · 07/06/2020 13:12

pollyskettles Thanks, I've just realised English kids have an extra year in secondary school. We only have 6 years.

Dorual · 07/06/2020 13:18

So if schooling goes part time online, will many TAs lose their jobs?

Blackbear19 · 07/06/2020 13:24

If schooling goes part-time they'll need more staff rather than less.

Teacher can't be in front of half the class while questions online are ignored.

Could work as TA deal with online while Teacher deals with class or vice versa.

Appuskidu · 07/06/2020 13:28

So if schooling goes part time online, will many TAs lose their jobs?

We’ve barely got any anyway as they were all got rid of.

Edujaded · 07/06/2020 13:29

I think the sad truth that we've yet to accept is that there is an inevitable depression looming. It might be that a full working week may not be possible as there won't be the work available. So, schools remaining as they are may not be the issue it is currently for working parents.

salemcat · 07/06/2020 13:29

@Iggi999 our hub has very limited key worker places & has been taking children from another school as well, so no chance of getting them in. Our primary alone has over 650 children & is the biggest in our area.
After school & BF clubs arent opening as they used classrooms to hold them, so will not be possible.
Trying to go with no point worrying about it till closer to the date, things can change in the next few months👍

Nonotthatdr · 07/06/2020 13:32

@pfrench

Kids being in keyworker provison does not educate them. As the many previous threads have said on here, sometimes strongly to keyworker parents, that is it is not possible to educate the children in keyworker bubbles due to age range and fairness so it is childcare only.
Therefore keyworker parents send their kids to school all day and then have to fit in a days teaching when they and the kid get home from work and on the weekends.

It’s exhausting for parents and kids but we have been told time and time again to get in with it.

I now wfh some days so I can educate dd around work rather than go in to work and send her to keyworker care as we couldn’t keep up.

Nonotthatdr · 07/06/2020 13:33

And the reason I wasn’t wfh at first is it’s not as good provison for my patients but I realised dd was getting really behind so I have had to change things

Parker231 · 07/06/2020 13:41

A full working week is possible - millions of us have continued to work full time throughout lockdown. We are working from home at present but are returning to the office at the start of September. Most of our work involves travelling internationally to visit clients. Until travel is resumed we’ll work from our offices across UK, mainland Europe and the US. From talking to friends and clients, most are now making plans for employees to return to their workplace. For those on furlough they will need to return as the scheme is phased out and employers have to meet the payroll costs again.

Edujaded · 07/06/2020 13:49

Parker231, I meant not possible economically, because of a global depression. Logistically, we've seen that most people can manage to work from home even with all the extra pressures that brings. But, when businesses start to fold and spending disappears, there won't be the demand. I think we're all still carrying on under the hope that everything has been on pause, but markets don't operate like that.

Lostmyshityear9 · 07/06/2020 13:50

So if schooling goes part time online, will many TAs lose their jobs?

I understand why you are asking that but I don't think so. TAs will still be needed to support children with their learning whether that be 1 to 1 (as that will be a legal requirement for some children, even if only part of the time) or in groups. I am not sure we will be able to 'bubble' secondary children in the same way as primary so I think children and adults will be moving in and out of different groups. It may be that we try and limit movement by teachers going to students but options and ability setting will make that a logistical nightmare. Still, I can see some possibilities with that and any limits to movement will help.

In addition, if a teacher is teaching, they will not be online so having TAs available to support with queries and push people in the right direction will be inavaluable as will support with pastoral issues (which will be many, I am sure) making sure that all young people get as much support as we can manage. I am sure there are a whole host of new issues this pandemic is brewing that we are not yet aware of in schools.

I still believe they could set up a Scenario A will be blah blah blah but this and that need to be met and Scenario B will be blah blah blah if the above criteria is not met. That would be adopting an honest adult approach but hardly any (maybe none of them!) in government (leading and shadow)seem to have the ability to do that

Yeah, you're not wrong. I do think, however, they just don't seem to be able to predict what might happen so are open to anything at any point. I am not sure 2 scenarios is the reality of it - I think there could be many more possibilities depending on who knows what that we're not privy to as mere general public. The Year 10/12 issue is the biggest problem because once they've decided what they're doing, they're not going to be able to go back on that.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 07/06/2020 13:50

@Parker231 what about people who can't do their jobs from home though? I can't. Millions of others can't. Not everyone works in an office.

Parker231 · 07/06/2020 13:55

Where people can’t work from home, they will need to return to work now that businesses are reopening to kick start the economy. The furlough scheme isn’t going to be around much longer for employers to fund employees staying at home not working.