Can’t see how children will be able to go back to school in 2021

[Ouchy]

Let’s face it. The R0 may not be controlled for months. Vaccine unlikely until 2021. Teaching unions up in arms. People unwilling to accept the risk of the virus (low for many). I’m getting more and more concerned and the government haven’t published any forward plans for how school can be restarted in the various scenarios we may be facing come September (have they?). What on earth are the DfE and the Education Secretary doing during the working week if they’re not planning this stuff? Is there something I’ve missed - am I mistaken? I’m getting more and more concerned. The children are low risk - there needs to be a plan and fast as their educations and social development are being kind of ignored for something they’re super low risk for as individuals themselves. Looking for reassurance really - am I mistaken or being silly?

Oh and I forgot to mention going into school to 'childmind' vulnerable students.

It is not possible to teach online the same way as you do in front of a class

Plenty of time to adapt your teaching methods so they work for both. Where there is a will there is a way

Teachers do a year's PGCE to learn how to teach. I've just checked out a beginner's course for online teaching: 17 hours. Where does that time come from when the teacher is already teaching full time?

My DC’s teacher is poor when school is open. She is doing nothing since school ended other than put a page from Twinkl online. No feedback. No actual teaching of any sort

And what have you done about it?

So what is happening to support our older children? We get a phone call once a month from our children's tutors but all they do is ask how they're coping? There is no support for actual learning from home, they don't even mark the work. They need to go back.
Most places are reopening I don't understand why schools can't open more. I get teachers are scared but we all are. It really feels like schools don't care about the children's education. This is not on the government, they have said schools can reopen.It's the schools saying no

I’m sick of working my bollocks off for the whining entitled parents.

The government closed the schools. The unions tried to protect their members. Even where schools opened a large amount of parents chose not to send their kids back.

But I’m mumsnet la la land teachers are evil shirkers. But outside mumsnet, a significant amount of parents want to keep schools closed.

Blame Boris and his shit shit leading not the bloody knackered teachers

Entitled parents?

Parents wanting a full time education for their children is.... Entitled?

Wow.

Yeah you're right Fripp but sometimes I do try and justify what we are doing. One of my first boyfriends was into Fripp and Enos!

It's schools saying no

No it isn't:

www.theguardian.com/education/2020/jun/06/schools-north-west-england-postpone-reopening-coronavirus

FrippEnos Who said anything about live streaming? Instead of saying why something can’t work, why not try to think of ways it can? My kid’s school has said no to zoom classes. No explanation was given so we have no choice but to accept it. However my DC2’s teacher uploads a pre-recorded video on the class app every day. She provides feedback for all work submitted. We can contact her if we are having trouble. She is fantastic because she is teaching. There appears to be no set standard between teachers in the same school. Her colleague is doing nothing. No family, no keyworker’s children, but obviously sees this time as an early start to the summer holidays. It is so upsetting to see my Y2 enthusiastic child getting absolutely nothing from the teacher.

Rosebel

I can only tell you what we are doing to support our older pupils.

But TBH I CBA to explain myself anymore, and it wouldn't help you anyway.

And what have you done about it? Written to the teacher. Ignored. Asked for meetings with the school head only for them to be cancelled at the last minute. Tried to change schools. Over subscribed area. Nothing.

Forms should be sent home every year for feedback on each teacher. Will that happen? Never!

My kid’s school has said no to zoom classes. No explanation was given so we have no choice but to accept it

Safeguarding issues. And yes, you could have asked them why.

There appears to be no set standard between teachers in the same school. Her colleague is doing nothing

So what have you done about it?

Cross post.

Why is it down to parents to "do something about it"

Why are schools as employers not doing something about it?

sitting teachers are observed by senior management regularly and their data and pupil progress is thoroughly scrutinised. Performance management is rigorous and in no way would it be appropriate to send home feedback forms as part of the process! What a nonsensical idea.

I’m in Scotland, where there is at least some clarity. We’ll be back August 11 for 1.5 days per week. I don’t see them being back full time until 2021, which is killing me. Both DDs struggling with the lack of social contact, but especially my younger (10). She was sobbing the other day saying she wants to see her friends and be back at school. She finds it very difficult trying to switch to learning at home (she’s dyslexic, which is making things harder for her).

And yes, you could have asked them why.
Do you think parents sit down and nod in agreement. Absolutely not! Emails are not responded to. Zoom classes take place in private schools? Why? In fact one of my friend’s children started zoom classes the next day after schools closed. It was an organised school that depends entirely on its reputation. Needless to say, a private school.

Sittingontheveranda

Who mentioned live streaming? A previous poster mentioned it. RTFT

As for pre-recorded lessons do you have any idea how long these take.

Instead of saying why something can’t work, why not try to think of ways it can?

Because sometimes things won't work, sometimes teachers don't have the time or the equipment.

As for zoom really CBA to explain this again to the hard of thinking or reading.

Have you asked about the other teacher or do you just bitch about it on the internet.

Why is it down to parents to "do something about it" Why are schools as employers not doing something about it?

1. Because the schools probably don't know it's happening.
2. It's an MN Covid-19 trope: piss and moan bout teachers, but do nothing about it.

I very much doubt if SLT at my school have the time to check the lesson plans for those teaching online.

Performance management is rigorous and in no way would it be appropriate to send home feedback forms as part of the process! What a nonsensical idea.

Do you realise that most people in the private sector have their performance reviewed annually? That involves meeting and exceeding set goals and attaining feedback from clients.

The teacher bashing helps no one. This can’t be a school specific issue it needs to be a national policy/initiative.

We need to have the same impetus into full time education for children as we did for ventilators, hospitals etc.

We need to think outside the box. Things that could be done. Recruitment/space/changing the term dates all can be sorted if there is the drive to do this.

The problem is the government don’t see this as an issue as a sizeable proportion of the population don’t want to send their children back.

The problem is I can see a shift in opinion come September, and it will be a few months before anything can be organised...just in time for a winter lockdown.

You aren’t a client.

If you had a bad experience with a till worker at Asda, do you go up to an Asda till worker from a totally different store and start complaining to them? When they're not at work?

Then why are you expecting teachers on here to come up with a solution to your problem?

Sittingontheveranda
Do you realise that most people in the private sector have their performance reviewed annually?

I would ask you the same of teachers but it is clear that you don't know that all schools do the same for all teachers + observations + data trawls etc. its the same as the private sector.

Well a quick Google tells me 3 teenagers in Kent alone have committed suicide due to lockdown. There will be many more. Of course nobody is counting these because they don't give a fuck.

Interesting claims re suicide, according to The Samaritans the high-risk group for suicides related to the pandemic are low-income, middle-aged men.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/poorer-middle-aged-men-most-at-risk-from-suicide-in-pandemic-say-samaritans

But if you want to talk about young people and suicide risk, rather than make vague, anecdotal gestures, then 42% of young people take time off school because of bullying at school and bullying at school is a major contributory factor to young people committing suicide - studies suggest that half of suicides by young people are related to bullying. That’s rather more than you’ve cited (to give your attempts at evidence a rather elevated status), however tragic those handful of cases may be.
www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/bullying-and-suicide.html
www.bullying.co.uk/advice-for-young-people/bullying-and-suicide/

So, statistically it is entirely possible that suicide rates related to school-age children could go down during this period of home-schooling. Although tbf the negative impact of bullying may not be something you've personally considered, since your whole approach on this thread seems to be based on doing just that!

Surely as a parent I have right to know what if anything the school intend to do to support my children? I shouldn't have to chase them for information. In the same way why do I have to ask countless times for help.or feedback which never comes.
No other job would get away with telling the service users to do half their job and chase them constantly for work or support. I'm sure some teachers are working hard and doing lots to support their pupils but it seems a lot of them are not.