When will people be happy to start living with the risk of catching Coronavirus?

[wakeupitsabeautifulmorning]

Considering there possibly won't be a vaccination for quite some time, if at all, but things are going to have to start returning to normal for the sake of everything else - economy, education, other health issues etc. There is currently so much opposition to easing out of lockdown, people will have to get back to work and schools cannot be part time for years (childcare issues plus the massive impact on disadvantaged dc, plus the dc not engaging in home learning). Spoke to a few people today who are horrified at the thought of a return to normal as they are frightened of catching the virus. I was a bit surprised a they were under 35 with dc (no known health problems). It's like they think it's just going to miraculously vanish.

About a month ago

@nellodee

Agreed. I want my freedom back, but I believe the very best thing we could all do to completely scupper getting it back sustainably is to rush and take that freedom back in full right this second! It would explode in our faces as we career off to another crisis whilst the rest of the world looks on in horror and pity as it gets back to normal and begins to enjoy its freedom again. Yes, we should take reasonable steps and calculated risks (such as starting to send pupils back to schools).. but given where we are, the very worst thing we could do to our economy, let alone our health, would be to say “screw this” and behave exactly as we were doing in February.

Nello & Derby spot on - I just don't get the short sightedness of all this let's just get back to normal. Is anyone watching any news programmes, the briefings, lasts night's Despatches.
I'm not hysterical at all, I know I'm high risk if I catch it, understand that lots of people are low risk so happy to do more than I do that's fine. I just don't get the complete lack of any sort of collective responsibility.

I'm obese. If I was to catch this virus, given what's been in the news, I would probably be in trouble. I don't want to catch the viruss and I dont want to go to icu if I do catch the virus.

For me, my weight issues started when I was a child. I grew up in poverty and my diet was poor. In secondary school, I maintained a size 16. I went down in weight and size a few years ago.. About 1 years ago. Then my weight went back up again to the size 16. Then I found a job that I liked a lot but unfortunately it took a lot out of me and it was very intense for a quite some time. It was so hard to find the time to look after myself. There were days when I was working from morning till night. There were weeks, I worked 6/7 days in the week. There were days I didn't even get a chance to go to the toilet. I used to wear two of the always maxi pads to work in case I didn't get time to change my pads until I finish work. I found it impossible to look after myself. That work stress was also coupled with other stresses too. My weight went up and so did my size.

My biggest, earlier this year, I was nearly 17 stone with a bmi of 39.9. That would put me into the danger zone for this virus.

The lockdown brought a balance to my work life. I cleaned up my diet a few years ago, all I had to do was find time to move more, and I did. I started walking more. I started going for morning walks and evening walks. I'm now down a little bit over a stone since March and my bmi is down from 39.9 to 38. I have more work to do. I have a piece of home exercise equipment ordered. I decided to go down the route of a home/fitness trampoline. Just waiting on delivery. It looks to be very promising from what I read. If I get the bmi down to under 30 by October, I think that would be great. I don't know if that's too optimistic though.

I’m obese too and in my late 40s but I did that risk calculator thing someone posted earlier and it came out with something like a 0.218% mortality rate so it’s pretty low, certainly not enough for me to think it’s worth putting my life on hold for. The main reason I don’t want to get it is because self isolating would be a pain in the arse.

Why does it make sense sending them back to school first?

They won't be getting educated. Government have made it very clear it is about the MH welfare of staff and students. Just like they did when they closed schools. Read the updated advice, the governors one is very informative. No education. It's still about key workers and vulnerable homes. Then if there's a space left it goes to someone else.

Schools are now only putting them into year groups because that's what been adviced. If they have a plan for after 2 weeks they haven't shared it.

How does sending them back help with education when most of the year are at home? The learning on line stuff still isn't available. Come to think of it, the promised laptops still haven't arrived.

How long can that continue? A raised temperature and all sent home. Look at how well that's work out in other countries. open one minute and closed again.

Mine should be starting gcse in September. It's not going to happen. I can sit on my arse twiddling my thumbs, or I can do something about it.

There were home school networks long before corona. Many work fulltime. They still exist.

Too many people rely on being spoonfed for them to do a thing. Look at how following the UK official guidelines is working for everyone else.

I'd love to be in one of the other countries. But alas, their governments don't seem to be run by some spineless muppets. Didn't hear moans about tourism from those countries when they banned us from flying direct.

Lockdown and isolation increases the risk of - heart disease, mh, obesity, Alzhiemers, early death.

Isolation can also weaken the immune system.

We already know the importance of socialising because of communication, especially that of children. It helps them to develop.

No it doesn't mean everything open tomorrow, but it also doesn't mean that this can continue.

It's like we are back in March. All the hysteria because omfg someone is outside.

And how can we forget that in order to save the Nhs protect the shielded, this government sentenced many to death when he wanted them out of the hospital beds. When he didn't care if they were positive or not.

How many shielded and vulnerable were left at home alone? Even now still waiting for proper care. And now we hear nurses are sitting around in empty wards. Who is this saving?

OP you are concerned about education and that other illnesses should be treated. It doesn't help if everybody goes back to normal tomorrow gung-ho and willing to catch it. If that happens, the cancer patients won't be able to go to hospital for treatment without a high risk of dying with Covid-19. Thousands of teachers will be off sick and quarantining 14 days every time one of their household gets it. Continuously. Lots of teachers off at the same time is hugely disruptive to education. GP surgeries would become no-go areas again, just as they were starting to open up.
We had this one chance to get the rate low enough to reduce transmission. We had disruption. Do you think the levels are low enough? Pockets in the north are worryingly high.

Would someone be kind enough to repost the risk calculator?

Talking of magical thinking, I think some on here seem to think you can magically think away death altogether.

My Dh is highly vulnerable and shielded. Like others on here he doesn't see the point of living like this for much longer. "This isn't life this is just existing"

*nellodee
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I've been reading your posts since the original 'AIBU to be worried' threads. You have been spot on with your predictions. I can't understand why people aren't seeing that there is still a huge potential risk.

No I don’t think the nhs lives in fresh air

I do know The nhs would collapse quite quickly if people went about as normally in the near future as the virus would escalate again and we could have millions of people needing hospital treatment over 6 months

I am also pretty sure that the economy will recover best if we don’t collapse the nhs and if we also don’t head into a cycle of repeated lockdowns

So being impatient will cost lives and the economy and leave us ripe for a US take over of the NHS

Get your calculator out 80% of people catch it, population 67 million , 10% already had it, 20% of people who catch it need medical help, current virus level 2000 a day, doubles every week if unchecked p)

I’m happy to continue to distance myself from strangers. I wouldn’t want to go to the cinema etc yet, or sit in a tiny office with many others. But I would be happy to get closer to my friends and family.

we had an effective track and trace system up and running

What makes you think we don’t? Please don’t tell me you believe the media?

If people are allowed to go outside, realistically the only way to control this would be from giving homes an allotted time and day outside.

Many homes had the same idea to go out and have a picnic. Only for them to now be splashed over social media etc because they did something normal outside within the guidelines.

I would have said I was ready but to follow some guidelines. However my neighbour tested positive yesterday. I don't know him but it made it seem closer to home.

@VaTeLaverLesMains I wish I had been wrong. I hope I am wrong now, and that there is some mechanism that means "herd immunity" kicks in well before 60% of the population is infected. Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything particularly convincing on that one yet, but I have an open mind and will definitely alter my thinking accordingly if that turns out to be the case.

Regarding picnics, this may not be a popular view, but I don't think they are a terribly bad idea. What I think is a bad idea is mixing seeing friends with alcohol. Don't get me wrong, I love a drink myself, but I think that just as we don't drink and drive because of lowered reactions and judgement, we also shouldn't drink and combine bubbles. I don't know how you would regulate that one, though.

When they've settled on a fairly robust treatment for it and infection rates are lower.

I hate how if you are against 'going back to normal' you are classed as 'hysterical'(misogynistic word) or 'scared stiff'.

Most scientists agree that the virus would run out of control if there were few restrictions.

A situation where 1000s are dying a day and NhS gets overwhelmed so they can't get proper care is not 'normal'.

The economy wouldn't work in that situation either as many would be ill or isolating, or not going out to spend or work to avoid the high infection levels.

I'm extremely vulnerable but my concerns are not about self preservation. It's about the best solution for health and the economy. A slower controlled deconfinememt with a functioning track and trace is the only sensible approach.

Just to put my perspective in here, in my county of Gloucestershire there are over 633,000 people. Yesterday, 2 people died of coronavirus. I understand there are many more people who have it, but i dont see why I should be terrified of seeing my in laws or meeting a friend for a picnic or going to the shops with that level of infection going around. Yes, I am young and healthy (although i am pregnant) and I dont have the same risks as others. However, if I take precautions such as washing my hands, avoiding crowded places, and using a mask to protect others, why should I be locked down? I am not about to go visit my husbands 80 year old gradnmother, but I dont need to be in my house all the time. This virus isnt going anywhere fast and at some point life has to start returning to normal, or the country wont be functioning by the time a vaccine is found.

@VaTeLaverLesMains well said.

@wakeupitsabeautifulmorning oh look you started a teacher bashing thread how novel
Of you... doh wait.

No one should have to live with the risk. We have no idea of long term impacts, some evidence of long term disorders being developed due to the inflammatory response.

@SMJYellow

You’ll most likely be fine if you do t have any other problems

My bmi is 52 and I had a very mild case

This is precisely why everybody is so shot scared. The media report as if covid = almost certain deatg

The post title is not a situation we should have to be get used to. Other countries are living with coronavirus at much Less risk than our government is expecting us to.

I will live with the risk but our Govenement need to get its act together to lessen the risk to us all.

Other countries are doing it better.

Our track and trace is not effective.

Look at detail at how Germany are using track and trace, eg signing details of where they live when going to a restaurant, if anyone in the restaurant is positive they all have to isolate.Their cases are going down.

Our infection rates are too high and our death rates are on a plateau - the risk is high, which in turn will wreak the economy and more people will die, getting on top of this in a shorter time will get us back to normal.

There are very few restrictions in New Zealand now with only one active case in the whole country