Schools fubared till November?

[Clemmieandareallybigbunfight]

Disruption to schools could continue to November, MPs told www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52895640

Is this a dystopian joke?

Are we actually trying to fuck up our kids?

Schools need to be instructed to open fully five days a week with enhanced on day cleaning, increased buses to allow distancing, staggered start and finish, covered but open refuge areas allowing distancing whilst outside in all weathers for breaks and no assemblies. Relatively low investment needed, huge gain economically but more importantly for our kids education and mental health. Some of these kids will never get back to school if they are out for so long. Some will fail to achieve their potential. And all for an illness with a tiny mortality rate overall?

Its not teachers who decide whether to accept children. That is down to individual headteachers after reviewing their schools facilities and what they can safely provide with the government guidelines. Then if a local authority comes in and says they are not to accept children above the head teacher. What can we teachers do?, If we don't go in we don't get paid if your headteacher says we are opening. Its the same as in any job. We have been working form home just like others in different professions? Why don't you criticise them from not going back against SAGE and government recommendations. My school has been open at all times to children of key workers. Did they flood in? No At the most we had 15 in a session. They kept their children at home. At any time vulnerable children could come in for all sessions. Go to your MP , local authority or SAGE and the Prime Minster and government. It is not the teacher at the chalk face that is at saying children not to go back to school

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Clearly you’ve never worked in a school
And you’re argument about schools & hospitals being similar is ridiculous, for a start schools are about a 10th of the size

Yes shielding teachers need to shield. The rest are no more at risk than anyone else of that age group.

That's not true : there is also a group of those who are vulnerable who are at heightened risk.

We are back to arguing about death as if that is the only consequence. Many people are showing signs of having long term health complications from contracting and surviving the virus.

I think so many people have enjoyed having that precious time off the hamster wheel and just having time to spend with their loved ones

Great if that’s how it’s panned out for you, genuinely. For me though I’m still doing my same job from home while homeschooling 2 kids and looking after a 16 month old.

I suspect when September comes and furlough payments disappear, and effectively the long paid holiday is over, then children will be returned to school.
I have been working throughout lock down and it has depressed me how many of the so called vulnerable and shielding have ignored the government instructions. I see patients out and about every day, I know full well that they shouldn’t be leaving their houses but they do. It’s very sad that the younger generations have by and large followed the advice to protect the elderly. I doubt they will be willing to go through it again.
From contact with patients it is the younger ones who live in fear of Covid.

I suspect when September comes and furlough payments disappear, and effectively the long paid holiday is over, then children will be returned to school

^ This.

FWIW in schools, pay is performance related.

who are vulnerable and have decided to self isolate but are not on the governments list. They will have to go back.

Also not true : you might want to check DfE and PHE guidelines there. NOT the union, the government.

Shielding
bollocks phrase of the year

sorry but so much paranoia and fear
95% of which is misplaced

What is so called vulnerable meant to mean, exactly? You got your own definition?

who are vulnerable and have decided to self isolate but are not on the governments list. They will have to go back.
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Also not true : you might want to check DfE and PHE guidelines there. NOT the union, the government.

And, Nike, while you're at it, check out both the SAGE and the ISAGE reports on school openings. The government are pushing to the max what the scientists said was safe.

FWIW in schools, pay is performance related

So it should be!

...and the idea of automatic promotion up the pay scales??? WTAF?

I wonder if this is perhaps the root of the problem. All the above are perfectly normal and acceptable in the revenue generating sectors of the economy.

Surely you must be able to see that the public sector cannot continue to expect the kind of pay and conditions that went out c1983 in the private sector?

Nike isn't interested in facts. Just here to rant at teachers.

Bit sad really, been at it hours.

@NeurotrashWarrior

I think you're quoting the wrong poster, I didn't make those points.

I suspect when September comes and furlough payments disappear, and effectively the long paid holiday is over, then children will be returned to school

How will they if the schools cannot reopen due to government rules about social distancing? Why are posters blaming teachers as though they make the social distancing rules?

Schools would need to be many times larger, with many more staff. It won't be possible for all children to return to school, regardless of their parents employment situation, until the scientist boffins say it is safe to do so and the government says we can all be as close as we like to each other/social distancing is at an end.

Fuck all to do with teachers. I am not a teacher by the way, but the bile and venom on some of these threads smacks of very ugly jealousy.

Progression up the pay scale is related to performance, not automatic.

and the idea of automatic promotion up the pay scales??? WTAF

You presumably are unaware that this doesn’t happen in teaching?

Nike has literally been posting facts all evening. Those that don't like the facts are retaliating with personal attacks. It's so depressing

Bit sad really, been at it hours

Perhaps, but it's been eye-opening.

I don't often come across people with attitudes like this.

I have read in my own country's parenting site that 15(? can't remember exactly) years old who caught it, was in agony and had temp over 40* yet turned away from hospital admission because it's a mild case. People are saying young won't die, but we still don't really know what kind of complications we suffer if we get it, even if we don't die.

I agree snowballer. So many personal attacks on Nike and she hasn't once retaliated. I have reported all the personal attacks.

I wouldn't have thought teaching would be your first choice of career if you are immune-compromised and if it was something that developed later you'd find another career or something else in education like inspections or examining?
Goodness. Who knew someone with Cystic Fibrosis or recovering from or undergoing treatment for cancer or a transplant wasn't fit to teach.

If teachers showed greater restraint in their demands re pay & conditions, perhaps there might be more budget for the actual teaching?

Wow, just wow, Nike. You place the economy above human life but reckon teachers should be paid less than they already are and accept shit working conditions? You really are something. What values you must be teaching your child.

I feel Nike that you are railing against the teaching profession of 30-odd years ago with your talk of regular strikes and automatic pay progression.