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Why can't zoos open?

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Nquartz · 03/06/2020 14:53

Zoos have been told they need to stay shut indefinitely yet we can go to Ikea or to buy a car Hmm

They are outside, indoor areas can be closed, food outlets takeaway only, same as parks & beaches so why can't they open?

I assume it is a financial decision by the government but I don't understand. Who knows what will happen to the animals if they can't get revenue.

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BubblesBuddy · 03/06/2020 14:59

I don’t see what zoo finances have got to do with the government. I assume it’s social distancing between visitors. However it could be regulated with effort.

I don’t understand why the huge area of Forestry Commission land is closed near me either. They have a gate and could limit visitors. They have a massive car park. There are hundreds of acres for walking and separation would be easy. Its continued closure has put huge pressure on other (smaller) areas that are open. I think they just don’t want to bother and don’t see it as important.

fartingsparkles · 03/06/2020 15:00

This is an utterly appalling decision. It is very damaging to the zoos themselves and is yet another way that this situation is affecting younger children, disproportionately to their risk (and seemingly their risk to others). My local zoo had arranged for limited numbers, prebookable entry only, all cafes shut. Why should that be stopped but Macdonalds, pubs, non essential shops, golf courses and car showrooms be 'ok'.

Topseyt · 03/06/2020 15:00

I agree with you. It should be perfectly possible to socially distance at most zoos. They are usually big outdoor areas with just some animals housed permanently indoors.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 03/06/2020 15:18

I agree with you. I suppose they are seen as part of the same sector as museums but firstly they are more open air than most, and gardens of historic houses are open this weekend, and secondly they have exceptionally high running expenses even when shut and there is an animal welfare implication if they are allowed to fail.

Nquartz · 03/06/2020 15:36

Twycross had planned to limit numbers, five people timed slots & implement a one way system to enable people to keep apart but now aren't allowed to open.

Their running costs are £650,000 a month, I saw in Chester zoo's Facebook page that theirs are £1.6m Shock

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covetingthepreciousthings · 03/06/2020 15:43

I also saw the Chester Zoo post and felt incredibly sad for them, I'm not sure how they are going to manage to keep going whilst they can't have visitors.

IF they did close, what on Earth then happens to all those animals!? As presumably all zoos will be in the same boat..

Social distancing should be possible, I wonder if there's more concerns due to cafes / toilets / seating / play areas ?

Just seems bizarre that these massive generally open spaces can't open but like you say, you can go buy some non essential items from Ikea..

BamboozledandBefuddled · 03/06/2020 16:16

IF they did close, what on Earth then happens to all those animals!?

I'm trying not to think about that Sad

Floatyboat · 03/06/2020 16:20

Yes it's utterly bizarre. They can't have hired the lobbyists like the other industries. There must be a way of protesting this. Good point about the disproportionate harm to young children.

AnotherEmma · 03/06/2020 16:20

Because the government doesn't give a shit about our children and their well being.

It would be perfectly possible to open zoos and other outdoor attractions (family farms for example) with the appropriate health and safety measures in place. No more risky - arguably less risky - than the other things that have been permitted.

I also think it would be possible to allow play areas to reopen with the caveat that there should be signs with reminders about distancing and hand washing.

They just don't give a shit though, they think it's fine for our children to be restricted to an extremely limited number of activities for 10.5 weeks and counting.

It makes me incredibly angry

EnlightenedOwl · 03/06/2020 16:22

Knowsley Safari Park as well in fact all of them
Scary watching a government destroy the country

leckford · 03/06/2020 16:23

All the Zoos should be allowed to open their outside areas, Chester who we support, in particular has breeding programs for many endangered animals, most cannot be returned to the wild because of humans destroying them and their environments.

I have donated via just giving and signed the petitions

AnotherEmma · 03/06/2020 16:24

Please could you share the petition link(s)?

catsmother · 03/06/2020 16:29

I know Colchester, Chester and Twycross Zoos very well. They are all capable, IMO, of implementing social distancing measures such as restricted numbers, pre booked and timed tickets, one way systems, closure of play areas inside or out, closure of other currently unsuitable spaces or attractions such as gift shops, sit down eateries etc. I too am baffled and dismayed that they aren't being allowed to open, subject to all possible hygiene precautions being taken and terrified at the implications this could have for the fate of their animals - not 'just' from the tragic prospect of euthanasia but also from the perspective of the work they do to help conserve endangered species.

You know the situation is really bad when a huge successful zoo like Chester is teetering. I dread to think how smaller establishments, many of whom aren't even open daily except during school holidays, are faring right now.

I've wracked my brain trying to understand why there isn't yet a little light at the end of the tunnel for zoos. And no matter how hard I try can't come up with a logical reason for the delay in reopening. About the only thing that's occurred to me is that because zoos typically attract families the thinking might be that excited small kids couldn't be trusted to socially distance as they should. But on the other hand it is 'allowed' (even if frowned upon by some) to take your kids to supermarkets, IKEA, and the much smaller gardens opening up. Let alone crowded outdoor spaces like popular beaches ir seafronts. Really .... why the heck would a properly managed zoo visit be more dangerous, especially when finite numbers can be admitted, unlike Blackpool beach (for example)?

It's yet another example of government ineptitude, contrariness, and lack of common sense (ironic eh, given we're told we should be exercising ours). But one with terrible implications for thousands of animals. And all so bloody unnecessary given the other less controlled, or even uncontrolled outdoor destinations it's now okay to visit.

IgnoranceIsStrength · 03/06/2020 16:30

BIAZA (british and Irish association of zoos and aquariums) pleaded with Defra to open in June but were told no. Apparently that would make lockdown seem less severe...I have many friends working in zoos and they are struggling. Using all their project money to keep going. Most of them have had zero support from the government beyond the furlough scheme and many are looking at redundancies. It is a joke that national trusts can open and zoos can't.

NoRoomInBed · 03/06/2020 16:33

Mabye the issue is toilets? I'm probably wrong b

leckford · 03/06/2020 16:34

I went to Just Giving to donate.

The insanity is Jersey Zoo(Durrell) has been allowed to reopen, with bookings to restrict numbers. I used to volunteer there and they operate on a shoestring. It is unusually helpful by the Jersey government to let them open as they are generally useless.

Daisyhoney · 03/06/2020 16:35

Bamboo I also worry about what will happen to the animals - I can't bear the thought that a single one would have to be euthanised, none of this is their fault.
We have annual passes for our local zoo (Marwell) and can't wait to go back. Keeping zoos shut makes no sense as they desperately need the money, animals can't be put aside like stock in a shop - they need food and care and I think this situation is grossly unfair 😿

Ponoka7 · 03/06/2020 16:35

With everyone off work/school, how empty would they be?

I could see more Adults going and that means more public transport usage.

Then there's the toilet issue. In theory Social distancing could work, but in practice this means that the Staff would have to Police it and no one wants kick offs in front of children.

I go to Chester Zoo regularly and I've seen people being have to be told to not smoke everywhere and pick up their rubbish. They'd need security guards. So how feasible that then becomes, cost/profit wise, can't be predicted.

Breastfeedingworries · 03/06/2020 16:39

Bosworth water park was heaving with small children, all running into the water, (which contains no chemicals) yet you can’t use swimming pools laughable. Zoos can’t open but you can go to ikea...

I wish wish wish I’d taken my dd to a zoo before all of this Sad wish I’d done many things.

TokyoSushi · 03/06/2020 16:40

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Bubblesbubblesmybubbles · 03/06/2020 16:40

Toilets are open at national trust properties so surely they could be at zoos?

KnobChops · 03/06/2020 16:41

Because they’re for children who apparently don’t matter in this country.

TokyoSushi · 03/06/2020 16:41

Oh sorry @MNHQ - I didn't realise you weren't allowed to post links like that! There's a just giving link on the Chester Zoo FB page for anybody looking for it!

Deadringer · 03/06/2020 16:42

Dublin zoo has reopened, albeit with reduced numbers and timeslots, i don't see why UK Zoos can't do the same.

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