What planet is Johnson on?

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If he thinks that most people are sticking to the guidelines? Does he not watch the news? Does he not go outside? None of my neighbours have stuck to the guidelines, nor have my family, my mum's neighbours, mum's friends. My neighbours have told me how busy it is in our small town and on the leisure paths and canal tow paths. I live on a street of less than 12 houses and the neighbours have to pass my house on their way in and out before anyone says about curtain twitching. I do gaze out a lot though as it beats looking at the walls all day.
Is he oblivious to the beaches, the beauty spots, the parties, the fines issued by police?

Technically I can now go out (shielded) but it's not safe for me to do so as there's no social distancing anywhere that I could go for a walk. I can't drive so can't go anywhere it might be quieter.

I'm just watching PMQ and I'm a little at Johnson's claims.

I understand there's debate on the restrictions and I don't want to get into that but to completely ignore the breaching of them and pretend they aren't happening baffles me.

He should have banned outsiders going to tourist areas when the rules were eased. The situation in the lake District is pathetic we've had people shitting in car parks and trashing beauty spots. We've had people being clever and turning up in camper vans then dumping their shit from the chemical toilets. An ambulance couldn't get through recently because both sides of the roads were rammed with cars. A lot of this wouldnt have happened if travel restrictions kept people either within their own county or own postcode.

I actually think most people are sticking to the rules, the problem is those that aren't are congregating in the same area and that isn't fair on the people who live there.

Cloud Cukoo Land? It seems things are going much better there than in England

I've seen lots of bending of the rules. A lot of people are making their own risk assessments with regards to play dates for young children. I know I should ignore and get on with my own way of dealing with lockdown, but Im feeling really down at the moment that it feels like I have to pick between being a good citizen and being a mum that puts her children's wishes first. I'm not going to abandon social distancing, but it's made harder when you see people not complying.

People seem to be following the 'rules' much better now they are relaxed somewhat...before (not all lockdown, but definitely the last 3 weeks) people were ignoring it completely. Oddly, since the relax of the rules..my neighbours seem to have stopped just having family over inside their homes, and now stick to the garden some distance apart! Not sure how that works, maybe it was a 'noone tells me I cannot see family' kind of mindset, where now they are 'allowed' they don't feel as rebellious or something..IDK

A lot of the beach photos I see..it does look like most are distanced too. Certainly more distanced than the loads having 'clap for the NHS' parties were!

Very low number of cases here (South West), most neighbours sticking to lockdown and not having visitors for instance. Few FB friends are being less sensible but the majority of people I know are doing minimal shopping, not visiting, staying in as much as possible. Traffic very much reduced round here, if you go out the roads are much quieter than normal.

Even shops that are open are limiting numbers, only one or two people per family so no family outings here for us.

Nowhere near normal for us at all.

people in southend werent complying fact thats from someone who lives there-he keeps saying hiw well everyone is doing and they all trust the government it was astounding to hear

keir starmer looked like he wanted to roll his eyes all over

I think the ease in lockdown has allowed people to be in the open with seeing people so they can happily do it for walks or in the garden. Before people were doing it to some degree but hiding it inside, I think that may be why they eased it a bit. Can't stop people doing it, but they can get them to do it safely.

I took my kids for a walk yesterday, we went to a NT woodland and everyone was being very careful. Lots of grandparents with their children and grandchildren but trying hard to walk or sit a good distance apart.

So, if 'everyone' is sticking to the rules, how come we have the highest rate of CV in Europe?confused

@Katinski

Because, like France, Italy and Spain, who all had very strict lockdowns And yet still had very high death rates, lots of people still needed to be out, key workers , frontline workers, delivery drivers etc. Most of the transmissions have probably happened in hospitals and care homes.

I live in a very very low infection area and everyone I know is sticking to the rules. A few men in their early 20s have been on the park etc but very few problems.

I think the people not sticking to the rules thing is definitely over blown. Yes, local parks around here are busier than I've ever seen then (as a dog walker, I'm a regular user) but broadly speaking people are social distancing within that. Even the few teenagers drinking cider in groups aren't draped over each other and are (largely) maintaining distances. Considering that all research suggests transmission utside is much less likely, I can't get too worked up about that.

Ditto the odd bbq or garden visit - yes, our neighbours had 8 people in their garden rather than 6 but their garden is HUGE. They have an entirely separate downstairs toilet that can be accessed via the garden through a corridor that also leads directly to the front door. I really don't think this very slight bending counts as a full break out.

The virus transmits in close, indoor contact making crowds, restaurants, bars etc the real problem. All of which remain closed. Public transport and work environments are another important other high risk environment and unfortunately, there are lots of people who are potentially at risk as a result of having to go to work and/or use public transport.

Statistics show most people in the UK have obeyed the legislation. Everyone I know for example has. So as ever boris J is right.

Oh @xenia, I usually love your posts. But Boris is usually right? Sigh.

Everyone I know is sticking to guidelines. We have very strict code of practice at work. My kids have barely seen any friends. Except just recently in the allowed group size and outside. No school at least till September for them . I’ve not been in anyone else’s house for 10 weeks now. We’d have had endless bbqs by now given the recent heatwave . My husband is still working from home (he’s normally a London commuter) as have all his colleagues. I’m still queuing to get in the supermarket . Other than the garden centre I’ve not been shopping cos they’re all closed . My daughter is now 2 months behind her orthodontist appointment ... potentially July? . Perhaps it’s because you have’t been outside that you are focussing on a few photos from the press and without any awareness of the actual reality were all living in.

My town seems to be being fairly sensible; we are in a tourist area, so it's a lot busier than it should be. We have campers here who don't understand the queuing system in our local supermarket, for instance.

I thought the market would be on yesterday but there were no stalls at all. One cafe, out of about 10 in the high street, has been open - a couple of days last week, but it's closed again.

I see very few of the usual faces out and about atm.

I have been working all the way through lock down and have noticed that people have generally been abiding by the guidelines in the largish town where I work. Certain areas have been busy in the sunshine, but you have still been able to keep to the 2m rule without difficulty.

The amount of traffic is now at a similar level to a school holiday at rush hour, as more people have returned to work, still nowhere near 'normal'.

I saw a group of eight having a barbecue on Sunday. That is the first breaking of lockdown rules I have seen, other than two BT men working very close together.
Round here, people move out of the way of one another, cross the road to preserve distance etc, all with a friendly word. There may well be secret lockdown breaking activities going on, but 99.99% of people I have seen have been complying.
I have no idea if my experience is mirrored elsewhere but it does provide a counterbalance to your experience, OP.

You don't know that "everyone is sticking to the rules" near you, wherever you are. My relatives were shocked when I named 8 people we regularly socialise with from 8 different households that have been gathering in one house drinking socially since "lockdown" several times per week.

Their public persona is very much "stay home".....lots of "miss you" "can't wait til this is over" comments. Photos of queuing at the supermarket. I work for the nhs filters on their photos along with PPE photos.

You would never know what they'd been doing. And my relatives admitted that actually they knew of people doing similar but had assumed they were very much a minority.

Where we are it's entirely accurate to say that most people are sticking to the guidelines. More than "most" I would say. Hardly anybody is really recklessly breaking the guidelines, like probably

@Lottapianos, a great post

They seem to be sticking to the rules where I am. Many older people wear masks when out.
Social distancing being maintained, even runners and those on bikes.
I saw a child of about 5 yesterday put her hand out and shout STOP when another child ran towards her .
No sounds of large gatherings coming from gardens or houses and much less traffic apart from delivery trucks.

Aww I see Johnson's fan club have turned up to defend him.

My neighbours have told me how busy it is on the local footpaths and the disused railway leisure path that we'd normally walk or cycle on. I can see that traffic is at near normal levels on the main road, I see people dancing around each other on the footpath, I see people hanging bbqs with people not in their household (before that was ok), overnight visitors, my mum saying her neighbour (her cousin) is having family round regularly, the other neighbours having a party, and then there's all the posts on mumsnet saying similar.

There seems to be areas where people either stick to the rules, or don't. There's a distinct divide.

And no I don't live in anywhere like a slum It's a pretty, semi-rural middle class small town. It's just that with lots of people being furloughed or wfh there's a lot more foot traffic than normal. I used to walk miles and rarely see anyone but now it's totally different.

Nobody on my social media is showing violations of the rules (I have a lot of contacts).
When I'm out in public, people jump out of the way to avoid being near strangers.

Sometimes I see small groups (< 7 people) outside that get < 2m away from each other that look like they could be multiple households I don't care about rule breaking anyway, but main thing is, I don't see a lot of it. Instead I see huge efforts made by almost everyone to stay within the rules.

We've had rampant repeat predictions that the Sky is Falling in since end March... it hasn't happened yet. Nobody is gonna believe you if the Wolf does arrive.

I also walk for miles in the countryside and yes there are more people than normal, but we are talking three sets of dogwalkers in a 10 acre field!

The thing is, people are allowed to walk and cycle on local footpaths. They’re also allowed to drive to work, and to exercise. All those things are permitted within the rules, so are no indication that people aren’t abiding by the rules at all.
Overnight stays etc... well that’s different. I personally don’t know anyone doing these things. All my friends/family/neighbours have just this week started meeting up outside, since the rules changed. They might not all be strictly in groups of 6 (my friends with 4 children, so already a group of 6, went to sit in a parents garden on Sunday for their wedding anniversary, making a group of 8) but that’s about as far as the rule breaking goes in my circles.

Well, he is right that the majority are sticking to the rules but these are now quite lax, it's the public that are driving the relaxation of restrictions now, not the Govt.

But to look tough, lets introduce a 14 day quarantine for all incoming international travellers, whilst having no such quarantine during the height of europes pandemic, during which over 10,000 CV infected travellers went into the community.