What's going on with Whittey?

[Barbie222]

England's chief medical officer refused to lower the thread level on the Nando's chart and we are stuck "transitioning" down from phase 4 to phase 3.

Charts showing alert levels disappeared from daily briefing?

Are we still following any science?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/02/chris-whitty-vetoed-lowering-of-coronavirus-alert-level

[SecretSpAD]

@Sostenueto yes to everything you said. It was obvious from the outset that the NHS needed to be protected in order to stop any discontent about the years of austerity. NHS workers were put on a pedestal, given freebie meals and called heroes as a bribe to shut them up. Care homes were forgotten and lockdown happened too late.

It was also obvious that the CMO and CSA teams were put into the public eye so everyone knew who they were and so were easy to identify when the shit hit the fan and Boris needed a scapegoat. He knows that the civil service cannot get involved in politics so he knows that they will behave in public (only saw a little bit of tonight's briefing but Chris Whitty seemed to have a face like thunder and was reluctant to answer questions).

The public were always gojng to be the ones who ultimately could be blamed for any second wave, more deaths. We are too stupid to follow the rules but also too stupid apparently to not follow the rules. We are fed scraps to deflect us from the scandal and then we will be called stupid for taking advantage of those freedoms.

And now Boris is even blaming Keir Starmer for doing his job as leader of the opposition and questioning the PM and govt on the way they handled the matter.

[borntobequiet]

@Sostenueto good on you for telling it like it is.
People need to realise this.

[Haffiana]

Wow. This has turned into the conspiracy theorists bar room, hasn't it?

I bet that would make Chris Whittey laugh.

[Needcoffeecoffeecoffee]

What Sostenueto said about freeing up underfunded hospital beds to even more chronically underfunded social care isn't conspiracy theory though.
Social care has been even more underfunded than the nhs, the staff undervalued and care homes are much more like community hospitals than where they were years ago when your granny wanted to go to live with some company and entertainment and a low level of care.

[Crunchymum]

Surely you have cull the population before you start (eugenically) controlling it?

Just saying!!

[Crunchymum]

And it's Whitty

[strugglingwithdeciding]

@venuatiger effing appears of post like this with similar comments always

[strugglingwithdeciding]

@weeds no you can't say that as posters on here insist we do all the time despite the fact it's not true and the fact that other countries aren't all reporting the same so we can't fully compare yet

[strugglingwithdeciding]

@twinnywinny14 well it's quite hard to find other countries excess deaths and we don't know what they are all due to yet not all direct from the virus

[strugglingwithdeciding]

@Sostenueto of course the Economy needs to be up and running how do you propose we pay for nhs and how can we continue to pay people at home it's not that simple , track and trace is up and then people are complaining that some of them haven't had to make calls yet as we have more than needed , surely that's a good thing
We can't stay locked down forever and even scientists can't agree some saying there won't be a second wave others there will
But we have to start getting back , Italy is , Spain is and there numbers are not much behind ours

[strugglingwithdeciding]

@crunchymum how would that work not exactly the ones reproducing are they

[strugglingwithdeciding]

Same old few who have all the answers and know everything as they read a report , for everything anyone writes about this you can find another one to say the opposite
We do not know anywhere near enough as certain people are more prone to get this , this could be a reason we have higher deaths than some countries as we may have more older men etc or people in higher risk groups - obesity etc
There is so much we don't know and so much to learn , yes some mistakes have been made
But as for cuts to care homes most are private run and cuts have been made for years all political parties have been responsible
Wales nhs is run by labour and they don't have a great record either

[Crunchymum]

It is more about getting rid of the deadwood and concentrating on more viable options. Lose all the non tax payers and create an army of extended tax payers.

• I'm reaching here.
  
  But eugenics scares me. In essence sounds positive but in practice it is potentially genocidal.

[strugglingwithdeciding]

@Crunchymum older people still pay taxes quite often and many in care homes pay for them , who in turn pay taxes and providing the hospital care and building hospitals to cope has also cost millions