Why is lockdown being eased when the alert level hasn’t changed?

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Just seen that the CV alert level hasn’t been reduced from 4 to 3 yet the government are easing lockdown measures imminently. At level 4, the virus is widespread and risk is high and restrictions must be in place. Why then has the government been allowed to ease measures when there is still a clear, identifiable risk to our health?

I swear there are a lot of people in this country who are desperate for us to stay locked down forever.

I definitely don't.

I just think that the whole thing has become a facade.

Because, as people are repeating on here, ad nauseam, but the message just isn't get through to the masses, if you want to protect the vulnerable but have money to pay for their care, PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK AND THE ECONOMY HAS TO RESTART.

It is not possible for an economy to recover if no-one is working. If there is no economy, there is no health care. It really is as simple as that.

Distraction techniques 100%

Bojo didnt think of all the pissed up Ninjas, having a BBQ next week, dancing in the lounge, Kareoke, staying over, the hangovers, the puking, the shared toilets, the eating & drinking out of hopefully not shared utensils, the "Oh I missed you" hugs

the amount of people desperate to stay locked down forever and dining out on their own martyrdom is unbelievable.
Also it's death toll, or total number of deaths not death rate. They are different and the difference is important.

As PPs have said, it's likely we'll be moved to a level 3 on Monday when the changes start. Any sooner and there would be an outcry because changes weren't in effect yet. It doesn't matter how they do anything, the government will be criticised no matter what with all the screaming conspiracy theorists and sofa virologists popping up.

We need an economy so we can care for the vulnerable, and not just those vulnerable to CV.

So no meeting people or having barbeques today or Saturday or Sunday (all lovely sunny days) but suddenly okay Monday when quite a few people will be working whether at home or away from home!

I don't want lockdown to go on for ever but I don't trust Boris in the slightest so have no intention of listening to what he says.

I will be staying home and only getting click & collect shopping until I feel it is safe to go out and that is not going to be while the number of deaths is still so high.

We locked down too late and are now coming out of it too early.

@lynsey91

So no meeting people or having barbeques today or Saturday or Sunday (all lovely sunny days) but suddenly okay Monday when quite a few people will be working whether at home or away from home!

I don't want lockdown to go on for ever but I don't trust Boris in the slightest so have no intention of listening to what he says.

I will be staying home and only getting click & collect shopping until I feel it is safe to go out and that is not going to be while the number of deaths is still so high.

We locked down too late and are now coming out of it too early.

That's your choice. You can stay locked in for as long as you like. I'll be going to visit my family.

I don’t think it’s being eased too quickly, if people actually follow the guidelines it seems reasonable. But where I am people definitely won’t just have 6 people for a bbq at a distance.

My take is: the rest of Europe are coming out of lockdown so we have to too even though they're doing it because they got it under control and we're doing it so we don't look bad.

Always kicking the can down the road.....

@ClassicCola and that's up to you. None of my friends or family are relaxing lock down.

If we can all meet 6 people and those 6 people meet another 6 people and they all go back to their household with another 1,2,3 or maybe more people I can just imagine what is going to happen.

When the deaths are lower I will think about going out. I want them to be 100 or lower.

I have no wish to go to shops and certainly am not going to queue to shop. Nor am I bothered about pubs, restaurants etc. I would like to be able to go to the hairdresser but can hang on for that. I am certainly not wearing a mask to get my hair done.

My parents will be the first people I go and see but as they are elderly that is not going to be that soon

I think this clears it up....

Unfortunately the government fucked up, they didn't act fast enough and the window of opportunity to bring the virus properly under control without obliterating our economy has passed, time has run out.

Now we have to get everything up and running, yes it probably is a bit too soon but the virus is not particularly dangerous for a large portion of the working age population so they need to be able to get back to earning their livings and paying tax. Lockdown is also very damaging for children, we can't make them suffer any longer.

@MorrisZapp

We're easing restrictions in Scotland too, with no Cummings to distract from. We cannot run a country with everyone shut indoors. Public health doesn't just mean Covid deaths, it means everyone's health and wellbeing.

What do you mean no Cummings to distract from? Do you think we don't care what he does up here? His actions affect Scotland just as much as anywhere else.

He shouldn’t have announced it last night if it wasn’t going to come into play until
Monday as it just causes confusion and tempts people.

I think he announced it last night because:

1. to try to encourage people to move on from the Dominic Cummings saga.
2. to help boost the economy and to encourage people to go back to work and give parents confidence to send children to go back to school.
3. probably to get another wave over and done with before flu season.

A few people have been ignoring lockdown for a little while (look at the photos of beaches, arrests/police reports and the Dominic Cummings saga as examples. The Dominic Cummings saga/fiasco has absolutely infuriated people who are going to be much less likely to get on board with track and trace or whatever else they come up with.

I am not someone who has been furloughed and I have lost a parent to covid. I have had several invitations to meet up this weekend already since last nights announcement which we have politely declined.

I will way up my own risks now as I don’t want to be collateral damage for BoJo and Cummings.

But there are still restrictions and social distancing measures in place, it hasn’t all gone yet!

I want to get back to normality ASAP.

Distraction from Cummings. Shiny things... shiny barbeque things...

Bunch of lying cunts.

Ffs we have to get back to work!! It's not about creating wealth it's about the economy and the fucking taxes that pay for the vulnerable now and in the future. Where the fuck do you arm chair critics and economists think the treasury are going to get funds from to pay for the vulnerable and sick (along with everything else) without people working and paying taxes. I am beyond despair.

I agree with people going back to work providing they are protected and they aren’t shielding.

However, i am less keen on pillocks going on the rampage on the beaches, having BBQ’s, meeting up with dear old auntie Ethel, climbing up a fell because they can and putting other people at risk.

OP it's because, as seen on this thread, the UK (at least, English) public have passively accepted our shockingly high death rate, one of the highest in the world. Indeed more than acceptance, many are enthusiastically doing the government's job for them. Othering of non white people, the elderly, the disabled, poorer people, downplaying, minimalising.

Meanwhile other countries who've tackled it - either with proper lockdowns or early implementation of test, to track, and trace whilst cases were still low and mandatory mask wearing, are slowly beginning to return to normal.

Of course because we haven't done anything we won't see a return to proper normality for a long time.

Well presumably because the measures aren't changing until Monday? On Monday, presumably it will move to 3. If they did it now, you'd be asking why are we on 3 but nothing changes til Monday
No they don't expect it to change on Monday. It is based on the R. Level which is almost 1 in some places so not low at all. and the number of new infections which are currently about 8k to 9k a day. That won't suddenly reduce on Monday.
I thought the scientists sounded much more cautious than the PM yesterday. And I wondered why they didn't show the alert chart. It obvious nos why they didn't.
They are making the changes despite it not really being safe to do so because they want to distract people. Its the same as the track and trace system which is not really ready yet.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-lockdown-restrictions-cases-deaths-threat-level-boris-johnson-a9538751.html

Iwant to get back to normality ASAP.
Everyone does. But lifting the lockdown too early won't make that hapoen.

Part distraction, part because there are a lot of entitled and/or thick people doing what they want anyway. I firmly believe we should have been wearing masks in the appropriate situation for weeks now, and lockdown would have been easier and quicker to loosen up.

@LockdownLucie

I agree with people going back to work providing they are protected and they aren’t shielding.

However, i am less keen on pillocks going on the rampage on the beaches, having BBQ’s, meeting up with dear old auntie Ethel, climbing up a fell because they can and putting other people at risk.

Get them back to work and they won’t have time for all that. It’s practically a street party here on Thursday evenings, no distancing. People have had enough and the young are needed to return to work.

@unchienandalusia

Ffs we have to get back to work!! It's not about creating wealth it's about the economy and the fucking taxes that pay for the vulnerable now and in the future. Where the fuck do you arm chair critics and economists think the treasury are going to get funds from to pay for the vulnerable and sick (along with everything else) without people working and paying taxes. I am beyond despair.

Most of the vulnerable pay for themselves through income tax. We all know the majority of working age people with preexisting conditions work. The others pay through VAT tax.

The irony of the We Must Pretend There's No Very Infectious Disease brigade is their footstamping impatience is what will keep us from returning to normal for far longer than necessary.

I've seen nobody say they want lockdown forever. But lots of posts petulantly claiming that for some reason.

Most sensible (and moral) people want us to do what other countries have done. What could've already been done by now. So that we can start to have a genuine return to normality. The other countries will have this - as long as they keep us out (and the Swedes and Brazilians).