People are becoming far too relaxed.

[PecorinoPear]

I have been going to the supermarket once a week for food and petrol since this began.

I have noticed that people are becoming too relaxed. Whole families shopping together, no social distancing because they are incorrectly wearing a mask. Children wearing masks, if parents are so worried why don't they leave them at home?

Morrisons aren't bothering with a queue anymore, so there is no limit to how many people are in the store.

[BlueRaincoat1]

But our death rates and transmission rates are much higher. We should be unlocking slower. How can we unlock at the same speed as them, when we are at a much worse starting point.

[strugglingwithdeciding]

@monkeytennis97 all excess deaths won't have all had the virus that is rubbish

[Bluntness100]

I can’t really understand the mind set or arguments of people who argue they will pass it on and folks will get ill.

Each one of us with capacity is able to manage our own risk. If you’re vulnerable or shielded then you need to follow the guielines. No one will give it to you if you do this

Anyone else will have mild to no symptoms. Or 99.99999 percent of them.

[monkeytennis97]

@strugglingwithdeciding I don't think I said that.. just said about my mum thinking it's all gone away

[jasjas1973]

If you’re vulnerable or shielded then you need to follow the guidelines, No one will give it to you if you do this

Yes i agree, anyone overweight, BAME, Diabetic, with a heart condition, Asthma.... ALL need to stay inside, so the rest of us can crack on.

[ListeningQuietly]

The background infection rate is around 7%
There will be no long term vaccine
There is unlikely to be long term immunity
Wash your hands
Be sensible
get on with life

[Somewhereinthesky]

Bluntness, do you actually have someone vulnerable close to you? I don't think you would say that if you do. Some of us do worry it's one of our loved one who may be 0.0000.....1 % who may get very ill or even worse they may die. What's scary is the unknown.

[EarlGreywithLemon]

@BlueRaincoat1, my thoughts exactly. We are all somebody important for our children and families.
Add to that the risk of long term illness from this, which aren’t yet clear. I want to be able to run around with my daughter, to do fun things with her as she grows up, hopefully to have another child. Not to end up with reduced lung capacity, on dialysis. The risks to me are just not worth it.

[EarlGreywithLemon]

@ListeningQuietly

The background infection rate is around 7%
There will be no long term vaccine
There is unlikely to be long term immunity
Wash your hands
Be sensible
get on with life

Ermmm, who says there will be no long term vaccine? Many scientists across the world working on this think otherwise.

[EarlGreywithLemon]

@jasjas1973, quite. They shouldn’t go to the supermarket, pharmacy, medical appointments, their jobs if they can’t work from home. Lock them all up!
And all the bus drives, nurses, doctors, supermarket workers, teachers who are exposed to the virus if it takes off again - to hell with them too.

[GalesThisMorning]

@Bluntness100

I can’t really understand the mind set or arguments of people who argue they will pass it on and folks will get ill.

Each one of us with capacity is able to manage our own risk. If you’re vulnerable or shielded then you need to follow the guielines. No one will give it to you if you do this

Anyone else will have mild to no symptoms. Or 99.99999 percent of them.

That's nonsense. Sorry but it is. Everyone but the shielding will have mild to no symptoms

[RoseAndRose]

Everyone but the shielding will have mild to no symptoms

That's nonsense. Sorry but it is

The highest death rates are amongst the elderly. Then the diabetic, then (I think) BAME. None of which are shielded

[lljkk]

Does anyone remember the summers of 2005-2006 -- all the illegal outdoor raves? Devil of a problem the police couldn't seem to stop. That isn't happening. Most people are still following most of the rules most of the time.

[BlueRaincoat1]

@effingterrified
Thank you for that link! Yep, that article basically sets out my concerns in scientific terms. What the writer says seems to make a lot of sense.

I do find it hard to identify with people on this thread who seem quite nonchalant about the numbers of people being infected, and dying. Quite a lot of people seem disassociated from the possibility of it happening to them, or someone close to them.

I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, I'm not particularly enjoying my own thoughts at the moment.

But 350 people a day still, the likelihood this will go up again. I suppose i feel we should continue to try harder, before saying this is acceptable and we just have to live with the virus etc. But I know so may people have already suffered and lost so much because of lockdown. Ach, there are no easy answers. But I don't think the govt have made good, timely decisions, and I think they are making more mistakes now.

[ListeningQuietly]

EarlGrey
Many scientists across the world working on this think otherwise.
Link please

as I read the Science press
I have friends working at the Crick
and they all accept that COVID - like all coronaviruses - will mutate quickly and give short term immunity and thus short term vaccines
(like flu does)

[ListeningQuietly]

Blueraincoat
How many people do you think die in the UK in a normal, non COVID day?
hint .... 1500

[strugglingwithdeciding]

@duffielddaisy yes New Zealand have done well easier to control in a small population spread out though
But they now have the issue with the rest of the world still having it and will have to open there borders sometime too , it's not easy to control a virus like this once it's spread worldwide

[lljkk]

SARS-CoV-2 has a stable genome, so it mutates very slowly.

influenza has a hyper-unstable genome, so it mutates frequently.

coronaviruses are not like influenza viruses.

There are stable vaccines for coronavirus diseases in animals.

[BlueRaincoat1]

@listeningquietly
Yes I understand that people die. But not usually from highly infectious, new diseases. These are extra deaths. I'm not going to catch dementia, or cancer or heart disease by meeting up with friends, or going to work. I am extremely unlikely to die within a month of being diagnosed with one of those conditions. I just don't perceive the risk in the same way. Again I'm not saying I'm 'right', I really do just find it hard not to be concerned about the risks of coronavirus, and to be very aware of the increased risk to any of us of becoming very ill because of it.

[EarlGreywithLemon]

@listening
“ The coronavirus is actually quite stable.”
From
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/10/will-covid-19-mutate-into-a-more-dangerous-virus

[EarlGreywithLemon]

@lljkk

SARS-CoV-2 has a stable genome, so it mutates very slowly.

influenza has a hyper-unstable genome, so it mutates frequently.

coronaviruses are not like influenza viruses.

There are stable vaccines for coronavirus diseases in animals.

^ exactly that

[ListeningQuietly]

Raincoat
In 2014/15 normal winter flu killed 37000 people in the UK
In Australia it is the flue season - by now they would normally have 10,000 deaths but its under 300
because COVID is just another infectious disease
that can and should have been managed by sensible, standard, infection control measure
but the West was blase and lazy and unprepared

The heatwave of 2003 killed more than CoVID in france (in the space of 13 days)
Last winter was mild so the 24 month rolling average of excess deaths will be the one to watch

COVID is hear to stay
get used to living with it

[RoxyTheProssie]

I just don't perceive the risk in the same way

Your risk of dying of one of the aforementioned conditions is much higher than your risk of dying of covid.

[ListeningQuietly]

lljkk
There are stable vaccines for coronavirus diseases in animals.
NOPE
they need to be readministered EVERY YEAR

not like a lifetime jab eg smallpox or measles

[EarlGreywithLemon]

@ListeningQuietly

Raincoat
In 2014/15 normal winter flu killed 37000 people in the UK
In Australia it is the flue season - by now they would normally have 10,000 deaths but its under 300
because COVID is just another infectious disease
that can and should have been managed by sensible, standard, infection control measure
but the West was blase and lazy and unprepared

The heatwave of 2003 killed more than CoVID in france (in the space of 13 days)
Last winter was mild so the 24 month rolling average of excess deaths will be the one to watch

COVID is hear to stay
get used to living with it

Covid killed as many as it has with lockdown. Antibody tests show that 7% of the population have had it. Assuming an - optimistic - 1% death rate and 70-80% catching it for some sort of herd immunity, we’re looking at almost 500,000 dead in the UK. Is that an acceptable number to you?