Am i being thick?If the first reported uk case was on jan 31st then it was here from dec/early jan then?

[Wankerchief]

Ive just read that the first confirmed case was on the 31st of jan (wiki and news sites)
Going on the two/three week incubation does that mean there was many people in Late Dec/early Jan that had it but had. No symptoms or just thought they had flu?

Dp says no but i cannot see how it cant of been here then but I've got nothing to me up

@SkinSkin

For months after, my lungs were still affected, and I would cough like there was something needing to come up - which couldn't - but it was only when I did those physio exercises that went viral on YouTube to combat coronavirus, that I finally managed to shift it.

THIS is what I am experiencing now. do you have a link to those exercises?

There's the link, good luck! It sorted me within a week, but I had been 3 months post recovery already so if you're on the early days it could take longer.

I used to work as a nurse and this is a well known post of physio type exercise. Really gets air into those lungs, and that's the whole problem with Covid, not enough oxygen getting in.

Thank you. How often a day did you do this?

It's not something you can overdose on, so do it as often as you want to.

But I did it once daily for a week and then didn't need to anymore.

As flu or "viral illness" is rarely lab tested, but rather diagnosed clinically, coronavirus deaths could easily intially be hidden inside a milder "flu" season, which then - in data - resembled an average season.

I've heard a couple of Drs on the radio state that the 2019-2020 flu season was milder - I heard the words "weaker strain". I had flu in early Jan (2020), I went shopping on the Saturday afternoon, on the Sunday we had PIL (who have had flu jab) over for the day, on Monday morning I woke up with raised temp and aching limbs, I spent the next three days in bed and then started feeling better on the Thursday. By the next Monday I was fine again. Whereas when I had flu end of 2017 (apparently that was a quite a deadly flu season) it knocked me for six, took me a good four to five weeks to recover.

All this has left me wondering if people were dying from Covid 19 in January and February but it was being registered as flu? But wouldn't those patients have been tested for flu?

Thank you very much

• meant to say neither DP or the DC caught flu from in early Jan but they all have flu jab as well.

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But wouldn't those patients have been tested for flu?

Flu is often not lab tested, but clinically diagnosed. As a PP mentioned upthread, there was a strain of what was assumed to be flu circulating, which was not able to be strain identified in lab testing. This was previously assumed to be a strain of flu, but in hindsight samples clearly need to be retested for this coronavirus.

I have good reason to believe govt/mod knew about covid19 in September 19. It's also mentioned as a possibility in this article.

Plenty of time to ensure ppe supplies were up to date and sufficient then (in line with U.K. govt recommended pandemic planning)

If only Brexit, GE, etc weren't dominating absolutely everything things might have been much different for uk.

www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/covid-19-outbreak-started-september-18111038

but in hindsight samples clearly need to be retested for this coronavirus.. Hopefully they will retest and also get the antibodies test out asap.

@PicsInRed

If it is circulating in urban population centres then that is surely widespread in terms of numbers! The death stats simply don’t come close to supporting that... unless it was effectively a different “less deadly” precursor to Covid-19 and isn’t showing up in the antibody tests that are now readily accessible (with people therefore unprotected from Covid-19 as a result).

If this is the case, then people have had something sufficiently different to Covid-19 for it to be disingenuous and misleading to say “they’ve had it”.

Hopefully they will retest and also get the antibodies test out asap.

This theory that Covid was widespread since late 2019 can readily be put to bed with the current antibody tests.... The fact no one has published anything with antibody results indicating such widespread infection is very telling.

I have good reason to believe govt/mod knew about covid19 in September 19. It's also mentioned as a possibility in this article.

The article says nothing of the sort... The study indicated it may have originated between September and December... I don’t think anyone really has til much of an issue with that. It’s the extrapolation that because it originated in September, it was therefore widespread here in the autumn that doesn’t fit the facts.

My DH was ill in late Feb, after visiting London. The friends he stayed with were all ill the following week, and he was ill the week after that.
At the time we ruled out covid as it seemed so unlikely, but his symptoms fitted. The friends have been wondering if they had Covid, so DH decided to test. He did an Abbott antibody test last week and the result was negative.
So.. either he didn’t have Covid, which seems the most likely thing, or he doesn’t have antibodies.

My 3 year old was hospitalised 2 days before Christmas with puemonia. Remember clear as day the nurses saying they were having an unusually early season of puemonia with kids this season

It's worth reading the thread about private antibody tests where many many posters where convinced they had had coronavirus so have paid for a private test. Loads are negative. I do think many of us are convinced we've had coronavirus when it was something else.

I had not been ill for last ten years but in December I began to cough and this developed into a very bad hacking but dry cough. After suffering for four weeks and it got worse went to the doctor and confirmed lung infection. Had xray a week later which showed lung infection. Very ill for further 4 weeks coughing and taking two sets of antibiotics. Went back to doctors as had bad coughing fits. Given inhaler which eased the coughing. Still now serveral months later feel very fatigued and breathing not right unable to take deep breaths. Also had hearing problems. I am convinced this was Covid 19 although well before first confirmed case. I know I contracted it from a friend who had returned from Spain via Glasgow airport. She was also very ill. Her husband became ill and was hospitalised with heart problems. Her mum also became ill and was hospitalised and died shortly after. Dont think this was coincidence but Covid 19.

Thing is it’s all anecdotal now
I had lots of my patients coming in after christmas / jan saying they’d had a really bad flu / never been so ill etc etc
At one point it seemed like everybody had Had something

But we can’t know if it was a ‘normal’ winter bug or the CV
Unless all 65 million of us get a reliable antibody test

With tin hat on

A lot of people are mentioning the death tally does not correlate with it being here late Dec/Jan, however if we weren't looking/recognising Covid here at that time then deaths wouldn't be recorded as such... Plus many many people have been referring to Spanish Flu and how the second wave was so much deadlier than the first.......(looks at our Covid related death toll) ??? 🤔🤔

Tin foil hat off

But, it's probably all bollocks!

It takes time to ramp up and a hug proportion of death were ravaged care homes and hospitals I think ?

If all these people, and there are many, think it was circulating in the UK last year, when there was no lockdown, then why weren't millions of people going to hospital in January and February with serious symptoms ?

We know that without lockdown, half a million would have died by now, and millions would have required some kind of medical support, ranging from breathing difficulties to secondary infections, either from their GP or in A&E. This was the whole point of lockdown

Just because there was a virus with similar symptoms, but not as serious, last year, it does not mean that it was Covid19

Viruses circulate all the time anyway. Especially in autumn and winter

@Whattodowhattodooo

But the death spike referred to relates to all UK deaths - see below. So unless the Office of National Statistics are in cahoots with some massive global conspiracy to airbrush December and January deaths out of the historical record, the evidence is unmistakable.

fullfact.org/media/uploads/UK_spike_chart.png

@Derbygerbil

Fair doos. It was purely tin foil hat territory!

I would like the antibody test. I would think all those sick like this should also have the test as scientific check if nothing else.