Am i being thick?If the first reported uk case was on jan 31st then it was here from dec/early jan then?

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Ive just read that the first confirmed case was on the 31st of jan (wiki and news sites)
Going on the two/three week incubation does that mean there was many people in Late Dec/early Jan that had it but had. No symptoms or just thought they had flu?

Dp says no but i cannot see how it cant of been here then but I've got nothing to me up

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-20/china-sees-signs-new-cluster-carries-virus-longer-than-in-wuhan

@Tatapie what do you mean by throat damage? I had a virus at the end of January after being in close contact with lots of people from China. Awful pain in neck and shoulder blade, very painful throat, viral blisters, rattle windpipe, breathlessness on day 8. My throat is still damaged now - sometimes I can hear the strider and wheezing noises so it flares up now and again. Does this sound similar do you know?

I don’t think people are convincing themselves it just makes sense it was here around December January time

www.arabnews.com/node/1673351/world

So with 5 flights weekly to the UK direct from Wuhan, where Covid was acknowledged in the city since September 2019, does it really make sense that the only cases in the UK hit in Feb 2020 half term?

I don’t think people are convincing themselves it just makes sense it was here around December January time

But it doesnt make sense.

The first official death in the UK from the virus was on the 5th of March

Three weeks later it was about 300. OK this might not have been noticed, but then the numbers exploded and in a matter of two weeks it was about 15,000 . Two weeks later it had doubled to 30,000. Remember this is with a lockdown

If the virus had been circulating in the UK last year, without a lockdown, by January and February there would have been half a million deaths. The excess deaths would have been massively noticable at the beginning of February, or even the end of January

Maybe it mutates to a deadlier strain there were definitely unusual levels of sickness . Or maybe we have yet to hear as I guess there will be an investigation after the fact but I take your point . In Scotland I believe there was a case confirmed at a Nike conference in February

I suppose in theory it could take a month or two to ramp up a lot of thre deaths ere in care homes. Interestingly I know if an njs worker who infected their other half bit the other half’s work colleagues tested negative . I’m no scientist tho so just complete supposition

Sorry fat fingers and blindness means lots of typos

There was something about but I'm not sure it was coronavirus
I got unwell on Boxing Day and was ill with it until about the 15th jan. went to the doctors and said "I feel like death" and I remember her saying "ah that'll be the virus that everyone has at the minute"
Sore throat, snot, awful cough, glands were up and I had thrush in my mouth for the first time ever. Ended up with a secondary infection and on antibiotics, just wanted to sleep all the time

Colleague came back from Hong Kong, Singapore and Philippines mid December. Five of us in the office, all five of us came down with a ‘cold’. We all said it was no normal cold and like nothing we’d ever experienced. I couldn’t catch a breath properly, completely lost taste and smell, horrendous cough. I was unwell for three weeks. Will never know but I suspect it may have been COVID.

I have a feeling it was circulating to some extent before the official first case. The first official case in Scotland was 5 March but ICU staff in hospitals were saying on a BBC doco they have been dealing with it since mid January?!

The Nike conference was February and it’s confirmed there were cases NS answers questions on this all the time about how they dealt with it

As for me I had a horrible bug in Feb and even at the time when COVID was not on my radar I said to my OH I couldn’t place what this was. I’m in my late 40s so had a lot of bugs and illnesses in my time! I agree it’s probably wishful thinking it was COVID but it was a very weird illness indeed.

Loads of us at work were ill when I was but no one at home. Although around that time 25% of my son’s school of 1600 kids were off sick which seems unusual

If we had it mid Feb Nike conference and we are behind England then conceivably it could have been around in January in England

I found this article interesting.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52762939

Assuming the tests he's taken are correct, either he had it in January or he was completely asymptomatic. Whichever of those two scenarios it was, presumably it's true for a number of other people too.

I'd like to know how long the pp's dd's school was closed for with the cough and temp bug? Primary or secondary?
I've heard of schools in the UK being closed for deep cleans for norrovirus but never for other viruses.

we think we had it in December/January time

Dd was in work in March. Her job brings her into contact with many many people.
One particular job she was at all the staff and most if not all of the visitors went down with Covid 2 weeks after the event.

She was the only one to not get ill so it depends either she was really really lucky or she did have Covid in December and was/is immune.

Some reports of it being around for a year or so

@CornishYarg I read that article too. Very interesting as you say.

I too think it has been circulating longer and perhaps China was just the first to notice that it was a new SARS and not just flu. Half of us became ill the day after Christmas and we were still too sick to do anything for New Years Day. The other half caught it from the first, and fell ill right after New Years. It was all the Covid symptoms. I was still having a lot of trouble breathing the end of January so went into the doctors and was told it was a viral chest infection. In the waiting room people where coughing nonstop with a dry cough like I’d had (which had then descended into my chest). The doctor also said there was “some nasty viral cough going around”. Here in France someone was sick enough that they were admitted to hospital on 27 December with this, so it’s entirely possible we had it, only milder.

We have to keep in mind that no test for Covid existed until around 10 January because the virus was not isolated until 7 January. So anyone who might have had Covid before mid-January could not be tested. And we all know how slow it was to even get tests available. Just because tests did not exist, does not mean Covid did not exist. A lot is coming to light as they test blood samples of past patients.

I did read a study that put forth several theoretical possibilities for the virus. One was that it mutated to be deadly, then transmitted to humans. But another was that it transmitted as a milder form to humans and then mutated to be more deadly. In addition, since it was isolated on 7 Jan, they have identified two more strains of it so we know it has mutated since January. The speed at which coronaviruses mutate is fast! It would also explain why getting it once may not make you immune because it’s like every other coronavirus- it mutates. Common cold and flus are coronaviruses and we’ve isolated over a million different ones.
I am looking forward to further scientific studies on Covid.

I am 99.9% sure it was here in December.
I know someone who came back from Wuhan in mid December and was ill when they got back, subsequently we all became ill. I had a cough, a fever, and shortness of breath. This was before any of us knew about it.

It will be interesting when the antibody tests are widely available. A lot of my friends (fairly young, no known underlying conditions, physically fit as in healthy weights and exercise a lot) were very ill with Covid like symptoms in January.

And what evidence doesn’t support it? My hospital had lots of pneumonia deaths this winter, many where we couldn’t find the pathogen responsible.
It was a bad “flu season”.