DS statement on Cummings is shameful

[SouthWestmom]

Basically I am sceptical about how terrible this could be to get for all of us - the mild illness stuff has been dropped as not helpful to the general lock us all up thing.

Regardless as a law abiding person I've stuck to the rules.

Which I thought meant you had to self isolate if you had symptoms and no, you couldn't go somewhere easier. If you had kids you all stayed in together, relied on deliveries or the local council support schemes and 111 if it was bad.

So I'm sickened by the knot tying in getting Cummings off the hook.

It's a shameful shit show!

Does he have photos of bojo fucking a pig, or something?
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He needs to go.

This just makes me more angry the more they support him and rewrite what was a very simple rule we were all given. Mind you, I'm also sort of enjoying the fact that everyone is seeing the Tories for what they are...

@FliesandPies according to Dr H it was necessary actually

She has disgraced herself along with all the others trying to defend this. She didn't specifically say that Cummings journey was necessary, she said such a journey would be ok under the rules due to 'safeguarding' issues which is yet more bullshit.

The handful of persistent defenders on this thread just make me think of the sheep Tory MPs who have been told by Downing Street today to tweet their support of DC actions. It stinks. The first 10 pages of the thread were unanimous in their agreement of the utter contempt this has shown.

But I guess it takes an hour or so to mobilise the Tory bots...

And I don't understand how anybody can defend DC and the Tories in general for this. Then look themselves in the eye or sleep at night. It is utterly sickening.

Does he have photos of bojo fucking a pig, or something

There would be plenty willing to defend that too. Let's see - it's something we'd all do in that position, it's not illegal to play with your food, it's disgraceful to make bestiality a political issue, but Corbyn.

Hypocrites!

I would expect a member of our family to come down and look after my child (as allowed under the rules)

Neil Ferguson the lead SAGE scientist had to resign for breaking the rules (having his gf over) and the Scottish Medical Advisor also had to resign for driving to her second home.

But Cummings gets away with it??

Where is the 4 yr old child in all of this?

Where are the parents of the 13 yr old child who, because his parents had to obey the rules, died alone and terrified in an ICU bed? The same child was buried alone by people in hazmat suits - his parents were following the rules so they couldn’t even attend his funeral.

That’s the level of sacrifice that some people have made to protect the health of the public.

But Cummings chose to spread the virus on entirely unnecessary journeys the length of England (for his mother’s 71st birthday party). The 4 yr old was just another victim of his selfish, hypocritical arrogance.

It is a new level of disgusting.

An apology? Did you see him being rounded on by the press whilst putting bikes in his car on the news? He told them to stay away from him.
He was so arrogant and nearly hit the car behind his with the boot lid!
He has no mercy at all. Nothing. He wont apologise! If he does I'll be shocked.

The thing is, if he'd said actually it was a real mistake, he and his wife were scared and wanted the comfort of family and weren't thinking straight but now realise they acted badly - I think he might just get away with it. But that video of him saying he basically doesn't care how it looks - really gobsmackingly arrogant and stupid.

If this was really about a child's welfare they would have had someone come and get the child, not stick them in a tiny enclosed space with a covid positive parent for several hours

Exactly. I've carefully self-isolated from my DH and DDs since the time when I first had symptoms. It wouldn't have occurred to me to travel in an enclosed place with them for a 260 plus mile journey. That's just adding to their risk and risking the health of other passengers.

I'm glad that Shapps has clarified that the rules were intended to be interpreted with a degree of common sense. I have been saying this all along (and have not been sticking to them as a result).

As mentioned upthread, I would have done exactly what he did in that situation.

However, I'm not responsible for inflicting the stupid rules on everyone else. Which makes it rather different.

I'm afraid those people who have obsessively followed the rules, not seen family, not seen non-resident partners, etc, etc could now reasonably be questioning why they did this.

With luck, it will mean people will be less inclined to embrace giving up their freedoms quite so wholeheartedly in future.

And, yes, he should resign or be booted out.

@LotusFlowers meeting your mistress or visiting a second home is not "necessary travel" for "child welfare" purposes.

I meant other travellers in other vehicles, sorry.

Interesting tweet. This needs to be properly investigated now.

twitter.com/richdunleave/status/1264204905683865600

Hypocrites!

How so? A healthy person travelling to provide care for a vulnerable person was allowed under the regs. Travelling while symptomatic with CV in case there might be an issue with childcare was NOT

Interesting indeed MaxNormal. I hope it's not too late for a 'Piss Off' wave to get started through the Tory party..

That tweet is interesting, dancing in the garden at his Mother's 71st Party hmm wonder if he was self isolating then

Provision was made for transporting children who were categorised as vulnerable, therefore taking children to childcare is “necessary.” Was the journey necessary?

It was not necessary for DC and his wife to make that journey.

The childcare could have come to them. They more than have the means for the sister or niece to come and collect the child.

They have wealth and contacts far beyond most of us which means they could easily have transported their child without them inflicting their virus on other people.

Good to see some proper questions and squirming today. GS and also unfortunately JH seemed to be digging themselves deeper and deeper.
Entertaining aftershow onbbc too. Good to see them not toadying to the govt quite so much today.
The Guardian vs DMaiĺ argument was great too.
'But Sonia, but Sonia, but Sonia, Sonia..' Impressed with her, he seems rabid!

I'm sure nobody wants anything to happen to a 4 year old child. Any 4 year old. Pick any other human of any age. Is anyone more precious than another? Most people have families who love them. We wanted to help flatten the curve so most people didn't put others in harm's way. Didn't comfort or mourn in the normal way. Took the hardest route.

If I was infected, I'd stay away from my 4 year old to maximise their safety. Most certainly not sit in a car and vomit or expel my droplets at them for hours driving across the length of England. That is selfish not selfless. Or having done that, knowing I'd increased their exposure greatly, plan to move the virus along through them to granny.

I'd also stop using my 4 year old child as a pr human shield to try to justify my entitled selfish actions.

Someone could have collected the child to keep them safe. But then all and sundry (not even those who needed to) wouldn't have had their excuse to trot off to their second home for a staycation out of London.

Enough with the excuses. Or narrative. There are a lot of 4 year olds out there whose parents had less resources. People who didn't act in a way worthy of typhoid Mary

I felt the lies through my tv from Doctor Harries and Grant Shapps today. I was cringing for them.

It’s really really not on for someone who sat on SAGE in order to pass on and observe scientific advice, to be instrumental in giving that advice, and then to ignore that advice because he was above it all.

If it was totally fine, he should have stood up at the time, explained what he was doing to the whole country, encourage others to do the same so the thousands needing to self isolate could zoom hundreds of miles up the country, tell the police that this was a reasonable excuse so not to stop anyone, and tell people they could swap households.

Funnily enough he did not do this.

I think he should resign.

Apparently he was dancing to Abba
I remember reading it at the time on an MN thread