The SAGE schools advice.

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schoolsweek.co.uk/coronavirus-scientists-told-ministers-a-rota-system-could-help-curb-transmission-in-schools/

Article re the SAGE advice to the government re school opening.

The government are not making it easy to trust them.

Do you work in a school? Not any more but I wouldn’t hesitate to go in. Research my threads if you don’t believe I’ve been a teacher. The teacher’s I’m friends with are looking forward to getting back! Not every one wants to close the world down.

They are following the science.

They Know children are very low risk. Very very low.

They know the peak has past and on a steady decline.

They know children are not super spreaders as all the teachers that STILL have been supervising key worker kids would be dead!

They also know there are hundreds of thousands of children who are classed as vulnerable

They also know that only a tiny tiny percentage out of the 60 MILLON people in this country will die of this disease and the majority of those were already ill.

They also know that dying WITH COVID is a hell of a lot different to dying because of it.

Except that the country is getting better instead of clinging to the drama and revelling in the misery of it.

The science is right the government have erm a political agenda?
Which basically says we toffs don't care if you live or die, our fat friends need your money and labour, get back to work, you little worker bees.
You need childcare, aw, ok schools back, but we'll make it look like we care so only a few back at a time.

They aren't reporting by job unless it's other key workers. Teachers haven't been mentioned, but yes, they have died too.

Not any more
Oh? Why not?

The teacher’s I’m friends with are looking forward to getting back! Not every one wants to close the world down

Where have I said I want to close the world down?

They are following the science

Not the specific science they have claimed to be following - which is what this thread is about.

They Know children are very low risk. Very very low
What do you mean by low risk? I’d say the science is emergent- understandable as it’s a new virus.

They know the peak has past and on a steady decline

Yes - that’s good news. Obviously the “peak” has been created by changes in behaviour, so it’s only right to make sure the next steps don’t fuck it up.

They know children are not super spreaders as all the teachers that STILL have been supervising key worker kids would be dead!

They’ve been in tiny groups, socially distancing as far as possible. Schools have implemented significant measures to protect children, staff and the community. Easy with 10 children - less so, and needs more planning and more things changing with a whole year group.

They also know there are hundreds of thousands of children who are classed as vulnerable

Yes and aren’t the government and media weaponising those children, having not been remotely interested in them for a decade. I’m really angry about that.

They also know that only a tiny tiny percentage out of the 60 MILLON people in this country will die of this disease and the majority of those were already ill

Excess death figures suggest otherwise.

They also know that dying WITH COVID is a hell of a lot different to dying because of it

Yawn.

Except that the country is getting better instead of clinging to the drama and revelling in the misery of it

Bullshit. 😊

Spillinteas, you’re spectacularly missing the point, surprising if you have the education to be a teacher.

The government are saying they are following the science. That is a lie. They are saying it has been modelled, that is a lie. Sage have not modelled the ‘back of a fag packet’ idea that Boris has come up with. The government have literally ignored every suggestion by SAGE. Not only that, the models which SAGE published all push the R over 1.

The government need to stop telling people they are ‘following the science’ when it’s a load of bollocks.

You missed copying this highly offensive drivel OP ;

They also know that only a tiny tiny percentage out of the 60 MILLON people in this country will die of this disease and the majority of those were already ill

I did! I copied that bit!

Yes and aren’t the government and media weaponising those children, having not been remotely interested in them for a decade. I’m really angry about that

No they are not. I’m your head you think the government are trying to kill everyone they are not. Kids need to go back to school for education/welfare and so parents go go back to work before e wry one is out of a job.

I correct my last post there is 66 Million people in the U.K.. the amount of people that have died is at less that 0.5 %

The death rate is in the decline. We’re all not going to die - get over it.

Spillinteas you’re showing your self up. It’s ok to have your point of view, it doesn’t mean you can ignore the fact the government are lying.

The point is obviously way above your head.

spill

They really are. The government has slashed funding for the services that make a real, tangible difference to vulnerable children. They have insisted on a curriculum that directly discriminated against disadvantaged students because of the linear nature and the huge increases in content.

But now? Now it’s all “Teachers need to think about disadvantaged students”

We do.

Oh whoops so you did OP. That's how livid it made me.

Spill another thing you seem to be missing is that the disadvantaged rely heavily on aging relatives and by extension the health services which they seem to casually forget as it doesn’t suit their narrative.

They KNOW they have never heard of the of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I don’t think I’m alone in feeling misled by the government over this. Time and time again the government who were chosen by the majority of the British public to make decisions on our behalf have repeatedly told us that they were following and being led by science. That is clearly not true- which science are they following? They have been provided with scientific advice and yet still chose their own plan and haven’t even modelled that plan to compare it with the scientific models provided. And this is just on one issue, how do we trust that they aren’t doing this with other issues? How are we meant to trust them when they have misled and lied to us repeatedly throughout this crisis? We now know that no-one has a full comprehensive understanding of what this plan will mean for schools and what the impact of these plans will mean for the wider community

Why is it offensive? It’s true. Or are we pretending that the majority of people that have died with this didnt have an underlying health issue? Doesn’t fit your narrative no?

So all the perfectly healthy children who rarely suffer with this never mind die have to stay at home because of less then 0.5% of the entire population.

Who’s following the science now.

Spill another thing you seem to be missing is that the disadvantaged rely heavily on aging relatives and by extension the health services which they seem to casually forget as it doesn’t suit their narrative

What has that got to do with children going back to school?

If your part of the shielding group then absolutely - all provisions must be made to keep these people safe. But tens of millions of people dont.

My child’s education shouldn’t suffer because of a tiny minority. Neither should business go to the wall. Neither should houses get repressed. But it all will because the media has scared the living shit of of people!

Underlying health issue is not the same as already being ill and about to die.

Hth

As for not understanding what OP meant about disadvantaged households , I can't help you with your bypass of basic comprehension.

Spill you have spectaculary missed the point again.

Spillinteas you’re showing your self up. It’s ok to have your point of view, it doesn’t mean you can ignore the fact the government are lying

Lying about what? The science is there for every one to see.

Children are very very low risk. They have more chance of being poorly with chicken pox than this.

Children are NOT super spreaders. And I’ll say it again - if they were all the teachers that fought the key works kids would be dead.

It’s more beneficial for children to be in school rather than cooped up at home. Missing education. Missing vital welfare and missing vital peer contact.

They said they are following the science. They don’t have to follow SAGE. Many other scientists will be advising them too.

The WHO have praised Sweden and his they have dealt with it. We should have done the same

The government is fking nuts. I think they're trying to make us all get it. 3,300 new cases in the UK today and they're talking about opening schools in a few days. Airport quarantine TEN WEEKS after the start of the outbreak. The FT today cautiously estimates 63,600 have died from Covid in the UK (not the official 35,000).

They really are. The government has slashed funding for the services that make a real, tangible difference to vulnerable children. They have insisted on a curriculum that directly discriminated against disadvantaged students because of the linear nature and the huge increases in content

That’s entirely different thread. It’s nothing to do with not putting kids on to a rotation class.

@Spillinteas
Sweden has the 8th worst death rate in the world (6th if you discount Andora and San Marino, tiny town size countries)
Norway is 41st. Finland 34th. Sweden has not "done well", although of course the population has shown a large restraint and common sense in monitoring their own behaviour in absence of government diktat. Many/most countries could not simply be left to their own devices.

Cam77 did you read the bit where it states they’ve also added the non COVID deaths in there, such as people that didn’t go to the hospital because they were scared shitless by the media?

I’d be really interested to read how many of those people already had severe life threatening illness and were already dying too. Because dying with COVID is different to dying OF it.

What is a rotation class?

@Spillinteas
Scroll down and look at the sudden spike on this excess death graph for Sweden. Then compare it to the Finland/Norway graph - virtually flat. I think that settles the argument, really.
www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/#z-scores-by-country