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Stop scaremongering about schools. All dc will be back before 2021.

102 replies

whenthejoyreturns · 22/05/2020 09:16

There’s no way they’re going to implement home learning for another year. It’s completely unsustainable, the economy will collapse, they’ll be horrific consequences for millions of dc. At some point soon sense will prevail and we’ll all have to start living with the risks of coronavirus.

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Bollss · 22/05/2020 16:37

So again women are just going to roll over and accept it. Hmm

Worriedaboutthefuture1 · 22/05/2020 16:57

@Qasd you are fucking deluded or speaking from such a bubble of privilege that you cannot begin to imagine what it must be like for a family to need two parents working.

pfrench · 22/05/2020 17:02

You've got no idea.

We might be in the middle of a massive second peak by then.
We might avoid one in September, but be in the middle of a massive peak in January.
It might have mutated and become much more serious for children.

That's not even taking into account the issues with vulnerable children and vulnerable staff.

People saying it's just going to fizzle out, how on earth do you know that either. Honestly, this place is like a giant red top tabloid of bullshit.

HeadSpin5 · 22/05/2020 17:49

Even if you are lucky enough to have two parents wfh, long term home schooling is unsustainable for all that much longer: Job dependent of course but in the main, it’s a half attempt at both without significantly prioritising one or the other. So either the child’s education misses out or the employer’s requirements do. And as (most) people work to live...

Bollss · 22/05/2020 17:52

Is that what you're hoping @pfrench?

Daffodil101 · 22/05/2020 17:59

Pfrench, that’s a list of possible scenarios and they are all negative.

In the actual world, there are some positive ones. To give a list of outcomes, you should be more balanced.

Qasd · 22/05/2020 18:34

I am not making the decisions but I think it is rather deluded to think that an Eton educated Tory prime minister will not make decisions from a position of privalage.

But yes go ahead and believe he has poor working families at the heart of all his decisions and will not make any decisions that screw them over. I am just warning you that may not happen. I never claimed it will not screw over families I claimed that I anticipate that is a price that we may find they decide is worth paying.

Bollss · 22/05/2020 18:35

It might be but again we shouldn't just quietly accept it!

At the moment it's labour and the union's that are against free ft education!

Devlesko · 22/05/2020 18:44

I don't want teachers to risk their lives to educate my child, even though A levels are an important part of education.
Nor would I have expected them to with any other of our children at any age.

Everyone else's kids shouldn't miss out because some people are "scared"

I totally agree, but let's face it the majority of parents are seeing school as childcare, not what's best for their children. it's loosely veiled with kids need education, even though many could Home ed.
Unless of course parents are listening to the independant Sage research and not that of the government dependant Sage research, that is really there for lip service.

Qasd · 22/05/2020 18:46

Just to be clear my answer was less a “we just accept this” and more at aimed at the original post which seemed to suggest that it was “scaremongering” To suggest it could happen. I do not believe current rhetoric by anyone government or opposition currently suggests that they are expecting full time school in September. If you want it you will have to argue for it not just say “they will do THAT” come on did you really think the conservatives would shut down half the economy when you were sat around your turkey last Christmas?!...these are strange times and I think the risk that our children’s education becomes a long term consequence are real not scaremongering

Beawillalwaysbetopdog · 22/05/2020 18:48

They should bring in other industries to educate our dc. Ex army, business pioneers etc

I would love this, I think it Ould be great to have people with life experience in schools teaching.

Why do you think this isn't the case now? A lot of teachers have had other jobs before teaching. There was a scheme a couple of years ago (teach last?) to get ex-business people in. There was a big drive to get ex military in several years ago but they spent thousands and only recruited a few. We have 2/3 trainee teachers in our department every year and very few of them are fresh graduates.

Bollss · 22/05/2020 18:48

I don't want teachers to risk their lives to educate my child

Home educate then. Sorted.

I totally agree, but let's face it the majority of parents are seeing school as childcare, not what's best for their children. it's loosely veiled with kids need education, even though many could Home ed

School has become childcare. Since once you're enrolled it's mandatory to attend it makes sense that parents would work whilst their child attends school. School IS best for most children. For those it is not best for their parents can take the decision to home ed.
What do you class as many? Because I don't think "many" parents could home ed as a lot of households rely on 2 wages.

Unless of course parents are listening to the independant Sage research and not that of the government dependant Sage research, that is really there for lip service

This is all your opinion. Ps independent sage aren't as independent as you might think. It's all one big political game and you're naive to think it's not.

daisymay133 · 22/05/2020 18:50

The 2m social distance rule will be dropped way before Sept

There’s talk of it being reduced next week

Full schooling back on in Sept

Those vulnerable just need to reduce their personal risk the lockdown for all is ridiculous

Beawillalwaysbetopdog · 22/05/2020 18:52

Also, you can't just plonk any live body in front of a class. It's a one year training program where they gradually increase the amount of teaching up to about half a normal timetable. Unless you're in a school where they're using student teachers to plug staffing gaps then you should also have a qualified teacher in with you for every lesson. So it won't help with numbers at all.

Divebar · 22/05/2020 19:05

If you think all parents can just home school ( assuming they’re not WFH) and they can just deliver quality teaching using the right processes and language and the child will diligently sit there and work their way through without fuss then you’re deluded. If it was so easy to achieve then we wouldn’t need teachers in the first place.

MrsFogi · 22/05/2020 19:10

There will be an absolute storm if schools don't go back in September. I think they'll just have to go back (and forget social distancing) and any teachers not happy will need to leave (as other employees are doing who aren't happy returning to work) and parents who are not comfortable will need to home school.

Blennyfish · 22/05/2020 19:11

So if September is the going back date do you think all these teachers will be able to give up their own time to prepare everything over the holidays for the new return?

Much better to get it all in place before the break up at the end of July, get the kids back, even if it’s part time.

DH works in a factory, he hasn’t had the luxury of his unions steppin gin ti say he can’t work, he has to just get on with it

Hippofrog · 22/05/2020 19:16

They will all be back, at separate desks, no assemblies, no harvest festival, no nativity play, no Christmas decorations, no Santa, no school clubs... poor kids, I’m so pleased mine is older as I couldn’t bare it if he was an infant.

2007Millie · 22/05/2020 19:20

I work in a school and we aren't planning for children to be anywhere near fully back until January.

But please, do continue..,

NeverTwerkNaked · 22/05/2020 19:22

I figured as much @2007Millie

Are you planning to deliver proper online education instead ?

Bollss · 22/05/2020 19:24

What if the government says you have to @2007Millie

Sunshinegirl82 · 22/05/2020 19:27

If this is true I would rather know because my DS is due to start reception in September but I won’t send him if they are expecting a 4 year old to learn online. He can stay in nursery for another 3/6/12 months.

Bollss · 22/05/2020 19:29

I'm starting to think the same sunshine I'd rather continue paying for ft nursery than getting some kind of half education and having to give up work or cobble together childcare!

HeadSpin5 · 22/05/2020 19:32

Having no harvest festivals etc will be a shame, yes, but hardly going to traumatise (or, as posted by a teacher on FB yesterday, mean that the new measures are going to be ‘socially conditioning’ a generation of children’) - I would far rather my only child went to school with no harvest festival or assemblies for a while than be isolated at home, on her own, seeing no other children for months and months on end.

Sunshinegirl82 · 22/05/2020 19:37

I had been really excited about him starting school because I thought he’d love it! Now it all just seems doom and gloom negativity and I don’t want that to be his experience.

The measures nursery are taking won’t impact him at all, he won’t notice.