Govt furlough extended til October

[Joan0fSarc]

Thank goodness.

oldiewelshie

This sort of thread seems to have replaced the benefit bashing ones. It's shameful that people are turning on each other like this.

It gets me why so many people are jealous of others, even those worse off than themselves. It really is a nasty society, this generation have to be the worst for this.

@Marylou2 you are going onto a completely different subject now , those that are furloughed are paying tax etc.

I was answering a poster down the thread

If this goes on much longer, people are going to get the rage. The furloughed need to be doing some sort of work, rather than having one long sunny 80% holiday I'll be paying eyewatering taxes on for the next 50 years

Leaving aside the snide about holidays, we will ALL, including the furloughed, be paying more tax when things return to some sort of normality. There will also be massive unemployment for a while too. I expect you will be complaining about benefit claimants then.

We will need chefs one day hopefully soon or are we all going to carry on cooking at home forever.?

Cook where you like but if most restaurants have closed down due to not being able to with stand the lock down then limited tables due to social distancing- those jobs are going to be slim pickings.

jasjas1973 as I thought no idea how a business runs viably. Lucky you that you think your company is ok - however you won’t have access to finances so will only know when you get handed your p45

What work is it that you want them to do?

I'm sure essential work can be found.

Us vs them started when those with the option to stay home were so critical of those of us still needing to work outside the home and access childcare. Those of us who kept going, to keep things going. There is still heavy criticism. That is where "us vs them" started. Very, very smugly.

Let’s get the self employed back to work; however let’s extend the furlough scheme for the employed.
25% of the work force now funded by furlough;

A long summer of golf, fishing and running beckons for some.

It states that a 1/4 of all jobs are now paid for by 'the taxpayer'. That's a lot of people at home. WOW - the country will still be paying for this in our grandchildren's lifetimes! I imagine by the end of it all there will be people who will be used to sitting around and getting paid more than people who are unemployed so no idea of what a person who is unable to find a job lives like.

Is this not just keeping people paid by firms that will collapse as soon as assistance is taken away? A good opportunity for people who worry for their jobs to start training/study to prepare for a move of careers or to consider potential self employment in the future...

@userxx DH is a key worker doing 50+ hours a week. So of course he's getting paid. Him working so hard in a horribly stressful environment doesn't mean that either of us feel envy for those furloughed however. The people we know in that situation are shit scared and far more stressed than we are. Yet some on here have this idea they're drinking at 9am and think it's all a massive holiday.

Yes, we'll be in debt afterwards. As will every country in the world. For now, making sure people have roofs over their heads and food to eat is more important.

I don't know what people expect. If furlough doesn't continue a larger proportion of businesses will close permanently because things aren't going to get up and running instantly. The more businesses close, the higher unenployment will be and the end result is we'll still be paying for it for years! This smacks of people being bitter they've had to work. Sorry, that's your company's fault. Ours has kept select staff on to keep things ticking over, but as there's very little business most of us are not needed. I'd happily swap with them, but I'm guessing that won't be asked of me. I'm also guessing those staff will be rewarded if/when the company gets through this and will be last in line for redundancies. So its not like there's no benefit for them.

We will need chefs one day hopefully soon or are we all going to carry on cooking at home forever.?

You might find there is over supply for the next year or so. Beyond extended furlough. Some will be ok and go back others not.

I'm furloughed, the company I work for is closed. Not much I can do so yes I'll sit in the garden and watch Netflix and enjoy the time off
No, I can't find another job as I can't leave the house so not sure what else I'm expected to do

Most of our staff are furloughed because most of our customers are closed and we have no work. It's as simple as that.

As an employer the longer the furlough support goes on (and even better if it's tweaked to allow part-time return etc) the more likely it is that our employees will have a job to come back to because we'll still be here when (hopefully) things pick back up.

We still have rent & rates and many other fixed costs to pay which the business support loan will cover for a certain amount of time. All of this helps to safeguard jobs & hopefully the economy in the longer term.

I'm grateful to have a purpose at the moment running the finances of the company, unless you have caring responsibilities I think it must be very hard not working at the moment.

@vanillandhoney your points about people needing childcare to work, what do you think those of us that are working are doing??? Juggling everything.

In response:
"Devlesko Tue 12-May-20 14:41:28
oldiewelshie This sort of thread seems to have replaced the benefit bashing ones. It's shameful that people are turning on each other like this.
It gets me why so many people are jealous of others, even those worse off than themselves. It really is a nasty society, this generation have to be the worst for this. "

I understand why people get upset or annoyed. If they are working flat out and get a wage equivalent or smaller than someone who is sat at home for months on end getting similar money and spending the Spring/Summer walking/cycling/golfing etc then yes some resentment is going to happen..... Surely you get that - or are you sitting around getting paid?

We all know that many are worried for their jobs on furlough but there will be others quite happy sitting around getting paid not worried. Whilst care workers and supermarket workers and other low paid workers work through this some will be getting more doing little. That's the way it is.

Perhaps some of the furloughed will be volunteering etc who knows

I'm sure essential work can be found

You are sure and lo, it became true.

There are no jobs. DD is about to graduate with a first from a Russell Group university and she can't find anything, anywhere. Even a temporary supermarket job.

And ffs, get a job in a care home?! And are people expected to just magic up the necessary qualifications/experience? It's so disheartening to realise that some of you, despite clapping every week, still believe that carers are 'low skilled'. Unbelievable.

Good news don't get the resentment to furloughed workers though?

My workplace should open next month but many businesses won't. You cannot let people in our country to starve and lose their homes through no fault of their own.

You can never win in this country. When a minority of people do something e.g. benefit fraud ("all people on benefits are lazy, scroungers."

When a furloughed person is in his back garden ("they just relax and do f all")

I don't see both groups as lazy. Most are trying to find other jobs, worried if they will be able to pay their bills etc...

And I can't believe that people are seriously saying the scheme should be removed. You do know how that will affect the economy? More mortgages/rents not being paid, bills not being paid, not being able to afford food etc... Even if we move everyone to UC that will still be a cost to the taxpayer. I for one am happy that many will still have an income (furlough)

And yes I understand those who are forced to work and do extra work. It is not fair.

I'm sure essential work can be found.

Really? Because hundreds of thousands of people have signed up to be NHS volunteers and the vast majority heard nothing back. "Six hundred thousand were accepted on to the scheme, but so far only 50,000 tasks have been completed."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52418946

So there clearly isn't the work available if they can't even fill it by volunteers.

People are calling for people to work in care homes, but how is that going to happen? You need qualifications and experience to do a job like that. They're not going to take on someone with zero experience who could be called back to work at any point!

@Weallhavevalidopinions I don't think a lot of these firms will collapse. The one i work for is one of the biggest employers in my town, but it needs its clients and customers to resume business first - without it there's no work. However, providing the gap can be bridged (i e. through furlough) they should be well placed to keep a lot of staff on.

My student son has a Saturday job in a major retail company. He has been furloughed. He cannot believe he is getting £60 a week for sod all. However he immediately went out and got himself a voluntary job delivering food boxes.

Joan it will most likely get harder to find a job after changes in furlough not easier. Waiting to see what happens is a gamble. It may pay off and the job is there after furlough ends. No one can say for sure yet though.

I'm sure essential work can be found
Can it ?

*Cook where you like but if most restaurants have closed down due to not being able to with stand the lock down then limited tables due to social distancing- those jobs are going to be slim pickings.
*Yes but we will be able to go back to work eventually.
Do you actually think that bars / restaurants etc will never open again ?
Of course they will but only if the furloughed scheme is going or they won't .
There are people furloughed from companies that are trying to save money rightly or wrongly and your angry at that but be angry at you employers.
There are people that work in hospitality, bars , restaurants, hairdressers, theatres etc and they can't work because the government won't allow yet . This hopefully will be temporary and that from June/ July onwards can start to be open even part time so by the time the scheme does end they are mostly back up and running.
Granted yes some won't recover this but a lot will .
The people on here getting angry and say I'm sure there are essential jobs to do and go and work in a care home etc . Yeah I'd like my mum to be looked after by someone who has no training and is used to pulling pints .

We still have rent & rates and many other fixed costs to pay which the business support loan will cover for a certain amount of time. All of this helps to safeguard jobs & hopefully the economy in the longer term

Have you received it yet as I’m on a page were so many haven’t - thousands. Business are already going to wall.

Because people like to shout ‘I pay taxes!! When they actually don’t.

True dat!

Spillinteas we've had the loan approved but not received it yet, bank asures us it won't be long now though

This is spot on:

"Kazzyhoward Tue 12-May-20 13:34:18
We aren't all in this together. A proportion of society are stressed, overworked, underplayed and staring at a never ending abysmal mountain of work. Others are sat making rainbows and sunbathing. Too scared to leave their house because they are 33 and perfectly healthy
Well said. This needs saying a lot more. Society is polarised between those who are working harder than ever (and not just NHS and other so-called key workers either) and those who are treating it like an extended holiday. "