Why only primary school going back?

[Mummypig2020]

Just that really, why do they only want to get primary school back?

To help with individual learning

Boris should be along soon with a pointless equation and a thump on the table, to clear it all up for us.

it maybe better for YR and Y1 to sit at desks then not be in school they are social distancing already they know they can't met friends in the park or run up to them if they happen to meet them out walking, or push each other on the swings; it is obviously not ideal but sometimes second best is better than nothing, the science does suggest that for young children social distancing might not be so crucial anyway

@derxa111 their children count as key worker children. Schools will be expected to keep this provision going alongside reception, year 1 and 6

YR and Y1 because these years are key. Yes some European schools don’t start schools till later but they all have nursery provision - it’s the same they just don’t call it schools. Developmentally children of this age must start mixing with other children and being exposed to people outside their parent(s). They need the socialing with peers so much to ensure they develop. For a 4yr old yR kid that might of delayed start only in Jan, if they are a only child with a Wfh parent, they are not getting that essential interaction with peers and other adults, they can’t be taught online at this age as it’s physical and tactile, these kids are at serious risk of lifelong emotional and social development disorder. Also for those without a garden their gross motor skills could be permanent affected. It’s not about phonics or reading, it’s that children this age need other people to develop correctly, they need to go back ASAP

Yes, this! Exactly. So many people trot out “Kids in Europe don’t even go to school until they’re 7!” without realising that the vast majority go to nurseries that do exactly the same kind of EYFS that our reception classes do. My five year old is really missing his friends and his teachers and the vital interaction he gets. His reading has actually really come on well since March as we’ve been trying really hard with that BUT we both have to work during the day so a lot of the time he’s playing on his own or watching TV, and getting told “Mummy’s busy right now, darling” “Daddy can’t play now, precious” and it’s a struggle for all of us. Complications in children are vanishingly rare so far, the risk is negligible.

Macaroni46

who said teachers are anti??

I will take that

The answer is

The goady
The baiters
and
The stupid

In no particular order.

@Namechangeapril20 well said

There is no benefit to a 4/5 year old sitting at a desk. It is completely against the play based curriculum and in my opinion would do more harm than good. Imagine constantly being told to sit down sent back to your seat when you inevitably get up for one reason or another.

Then there's the question of what would they do all day at their desk? We don't sit and write, we don't have lessons like the rest of the school where we all sit and listen and then get on with our own literacy and maths work independently. Everything is hands on and learning through experiences. They write shopping lists in the home corner, make items to support their role play in the creative area, lounge around in the reading area, using their phonic skills to read to their friends, build using large and small scale construction materials - it's not a year group that can sit at a desk at all.

I am awaiting the guidance and hope it says no social distancing but maybe splitting the class into smaller groups with bubbles for contact.
If that's not the expectation and the government think I'm going to sit my 4yr olds at a desk all day I certainly won't be implementing it and I know my school won't either.

And I don’t think anyone is thinking a 7 or 8 year old doesn’t need childcare. But most of them can work unsupervised for longer than a 4 year old.

The death rate is slightly higher for teens.

I know you didn't say this would happen @TeacupDrama but the very thought that the government may digest this both terrifies and infuriates me.

Can someone please enlighten me as to how Y6 pupils will be experiencing'transition' when the secondary schools are still closed? The usual rites of passage (leavers' assemblies, plays etc) will not be able to take place - so what exactly will constitute 'transition'?

I don't think all DC could be in at once even if only YR, 1&6. If only 10 DC can be in per classroom that would mean 3x the classrooms needed. At my DD's school that would mean 45 classrooms needed for those year groups but there are only 35 classrooms in the school. I think there are 3 halls, a library, computer room and French room so wouldn't be enough rooms even if they were used as well. And that's without thinking about introducing other years.

so what exactly will constitute 'transition'

I'm thinking the only benefit for Year 6 is to have closure from primary school, and a chance to say good bye to friends and teachers. That can be done in one day :)

I guess secondary school teachers can still come in and talk to them?

(our local secondary school has the first day in September as a transition day, so Year 6 don't visit at all in June/July - surely a model that could be easily adopted everywhere?)

They will work with the transition staff at the secondary’s and arrange what they can

Can someone please enlighten me as to how Y6 pupils will be experiencing'transition' when the secondary schools are still closed? The usual rites of passage (leavers' assemblies, plays etc) will not be able to take place - so what exactly will constitute 'transition'?

They won't.

I genuinely think Y6 have been included in the first wave because they are a useful 'test ground' for how primaries could run in the ongoing COVID situation, but at this point need no formal learning at all, so there isn't any additional worry about 'covering the curriculum' for them. So if they play rounders all day, or have some PSHCE, or socially-distanced art, it's fine - whereas Y5 or Y4 would very much need to be learning, and that balance would be much harder to attain as schools get used to the new procedures.

Does anyone really think there would be social distancing for R/Y1?

Children are as infectious as adults.

Maybe they'll just sit at their isolated desks and do guided meditations about leaving-dos, award ceremonies and visiting secondary schools @Showchin2 ?

Yrs R and 1 will be split between the other classes/teachers with staggered playtimes/lunch to allow for as much social distancing as possible

Well, they are welcome to play chess with the r0 with other people's children but my y1 and y6 will not be going in June.

You should all read this article from an American associate professor of biology whose life work has been in infectious disease. Understand the risks properly:

www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

Does anyone really think there would be social distancing for R/Y1?

There has to be, for the sake of the childrens' families and for their own health (look at the evidence from NYC about Kawasaki's and other strange respiratory conditions being observed in children).

If there is no need for social distancing in R/Y1, schools wouldn't have closed and they would bloody well be allowed in B&Q!

Because they know the shit storm that will ensue from angry parents with pre-school leavers returning and now have no gcses to sit. So they'll conveniently send them back after their 'gcses' are over. No backlash. Win win.

Years 7 upwards can normally be left home alone so they will be last back as can work from home even if parents back at work
Leave 11 to 13 year old children home alone five days a week for weeks on end? It's been 7 weeks already, until September would be more than five months. What will that do to their mental health? My 13 year old is going back to school as we can't go on like this.