Disgusted at VE celebrations

[runrunrunrunt]

I absolutely cannot believe what went on last night in this country.

The government should never have encouraged this nonsense and instead should have firmly nipped the idea of celebration completely in the bud.

Absent Boris should have never implied lockdown will be eased on Monday a couple of days before a fucking sunny VE Day bank holiday when we still have 5,000 plus new cases every day.

It isn't rocket science.

I am absolutely appalled.

Husband read a stat this morning that there will be an estimated 60,000 excess deaths from cancer due to lack of screening and treatment. Will see if I can find it.

Call me a cynic but I suspect this is a strategy of herd immunity by stealth.

Or the view by Boris that some people are expendable. The rich and wealthy will be marking the occasion by quaffing champagne in their huge gardens with duck houses and islands in the lake whereas the hoi polloi Labour voters will be celebrating with their neighbours and getting drunk on Diamond White and Aldi Prosecco.

Absolutely. It's the send-the "chavs" over-the-top-first, strategy.

I feel utterly sick that the few remaining people who were there on the original VE Day will be hardest hit.

@LilacTree1 😂

Bar bites “ She said, I’m sacrificing my education and mental wellbeing and not seeing my friends and they are all mixing with each other. I agreed with her completely...”

She should be campaigning against lockdown. I agree, her education and mental well-being is sacrificed, and for no good reason. But don’t blame people brave enough/rich enough to break lockdown.

The World Jewish Congress & other similar organisations on Facebook have been naming the many Holocaust survivors round the world who've died of covid, so yes many older veterans age people are still alive and now sadly dying an unpleasant death.

Runrun your humiliated? Bloody hell what are you going to do when see a French, German or Spanish person? Shriek cover you face and hide in shame?

Honestly too much pearl clutching. Have a cup of tea and calm down.

@bethg21

You do know there's a massive difference between a war and a pandemic?

@LilacTree1 do you think they are brave? I think selfish. We've been told to do it, to protect the NHS and vulnerable people. From what we saw last night it was the vulnerable people having a party!
Me and my kids will be affected by this a long time after these people have shuffled off. Perhaps they could contribute now by respecting a rule a 15 year old can follow, whether we agree with it or not.

But don’t blame people brave enough/rich enough to break lockdown.

Brave enough? Are you having a laugh? 🤣

@dancingshoex I’ve heard that about 60,000 extra cancer deaths too. I’ve also read the paper which from recollection estimates that after the bank crash 10 years ago or so, there were an extra 500,000 cancer deaths (worldwide, not UK!) just from lack of research into new treatments etc. 10,000 suicides. The numbers of deaths from lockdown are far from trifling, and bear real weight in the discussion.

I am reassured by Chris Whitty having said in the briefings that they are considering not just covid deaths but non covid deaths by people not seeking/getting treatment etc

No obviously not. Just remain humiliated quietly to myself that I live in an island populated by people who think all this shit is acceptable.

Over 100 people have died at a hospital that is less than 4 miles from my street

I’d like to guess that thousands have died their due to cancer alone - does that make you scared to live there?

Ten million people die of cancer annually.

*there

Here is the 60,000 cancer deaths piece:

^It comes as the lockdown has been extended by another three weeks with one of the UK's leading oncologists estimating that a six month lockdown would result in 60,000 premature deaths of cancer patients due to delayed treatments.Professor Karol Sikora, chief medical officer at Rutherford Health and former head of the World Health Organisation's cancer program, told i: "Let's say the lockdown went on for six months and hospitals couldn't complete cancer surgery, chemotherapy and radiotherapy, we've come to the conclusion that up to 60,000 people in the UK will die if they have to wait that long for treatment.
"For a month the figure is very little, about 100 or 200 excess deaths, because there are not that many people who really needed to be treated within a month, which is how long the delay to services has gone on so far. And the urgent cases can be pushed to the front of the queue. But you get a steep curve of excess deaths the longer the lockdown goes on, because the worse it gets."^

Of course the police infrastructure isn't there. The police services have been as routinely savaged by cutbacks over the last decade as the NHS have. There's no meat left on the bone.

No obviously not. Just remain humiliated quietly to myself that I live in an island populated by people who think all this shit is acceptable

Not every one was out getting drunk and hugging in the street though. Only a tiny %. Probably not even 1%. We have 60 million people in this country so your entire island humiliation really isn’t warranted unless your the type of person that like to catastrophize which I think your are causing your self a lot of anxiety and it’s not healthy

Cancer isn’t contagious. My grandmother died from cancer. My mother has survived cancer. I don’t want her to die of this.

My humiliation is warranted.

Our government level reaction to this whole crisis has been laughable.

Our neighbours had a street party fro 2pm to about 12.30 this morning including a newborn and a 6 month old being passed from one neighbour to another. Unbelievable. It was not respectful to anyone just an excuse to be as loud and as pissed as it's possible to be. But then they have been in and out of each others houses since lockdown started so totally expected. Never mind though i'll just keep going to my supermarket job so you can all carry on eating. Fucking bastards. I have two adults kids living at home both who suffer from anxiety and who are desperate to get away from all the noise and selfishness from neighbours, but they don't because their not selfish arseholes.

I’m aware that there will be deaths due to a delay in cancer treatment. I’m also very aware that anyone undergoing chemo would be incredibly vulnerable to Covid-19.

Cancer isn’t contagious.

Who said it was?

Oh and I'm not anxious. Not at all actually. And I resent the use of anxiety as a weird passive aggressive mumsnet insult on behalf of people who are genuinely anxious. I'm very angry that the government are not dealing with it as they should and that they are not held to account for their failings by the people or the media or the opposition.

They're not their

@RoosterPie

Those figures are truly shocking. I agree re: Chris Whitty being aware but political horizons are short, I wonder if our leaders are truly aware too?

I would be interested to learn the average ages in those numbers as I fear that they'll be quite a lot younger than 80.5, I know for example that suicide is most common among males, age 45-49 years.

Using NICE type equations, is anybody looking at how many quality adjusted life years will we lose as a result of lockdown?

I wonder how it would impact views if the number were significant higher than quality adjusted life years lost to covid?

It was a response to this

’I’d like to guess that thousands have died their due to cancer alone - does that make you scared to live there?’