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Disgusted at VE celebrations

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runrunrunrunt · 09/05/2020 08:54

I absolutely cannot believe what went on last night in this country.

The government should never have encouraged this nonsense and instead should have firmly nipped the idea of celebration completely in the bud.

Absent Boris should have never implied lockdown will be eased on Monday a couple of days before a fucking sunny VE Day bank holiday when we still have 5,000 plus new cases every day.

It isn't rocket science.

I am absolutely appalled.

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Devlesko · 09/05/2020 11:52

I can't be bothered with what others are doing.
if you really need an idiot like Boris to tell you not to break the guidelines, then Darwin's theories are for you.

minisoksmakehardwork · 09/05/2020 11:52

I think the type of person who would get so drunk that they would lose their inhibitions about distance in lockdown probably wasn't practising distancing very well at the best of times. So they likely wouldn't think twice until either they or one of their loved ones became ill, and then it would likely be someone else to blame.

Unfortunately until more people feel the reality of this virus, I see little changing with regards to people's attitude about lockdown.

MarieQueenofScots · 09/05/2020 11:55

For those of you posing derogatory comments about 'the English', try substituting Asian, Chinese, African for English. Can't you see how racist this is?

I am English. Are you really trying to assert that the English as a nation don’t have un unhealthy relationship with alcohol?

runrunrunrunt · 09/05/2020 11:56

I think the type of person who would get so drunk that they would lose their inhibitions about distance in lockdown probably wasn't practising distancing very well at the best of times.

Would normally agree with you until I saw my neighbour who washes her shopping in bleach run up to a group of women for a drunken hug and dance.

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OldQueen1969 · 09/05/2020 11:59

Just a few thoughts.....

My council area has a population of just under 800,000. So far recorded deaths are under 250, and recorded cases just over 5000. So we have been "lucky" so far in comparison with other areas - statistically however it is very difficult to assess actual risk as there are possibly many asymptomatic cases and also there is the dying with as opposed to dying of CV19 conundrum. Viral load is supposed to be a key factor in contracting the disease, which is why it makes sense to minimise mixing and do social distancing and wear PPE as appropriate. It is all the unknown variables that make this so hard to navigate as an individual I feel, so personally I'm keeping to the rules, not for myself so much but in case of spreading to the more vulnerable.

That said, the apparent lack of resilience and people focused on mental health impact is an interesting subject. I consider myself robust and have weathered personal storms that have had me teetering on the brink of MH issues, and I have also had a drug induced psychosis due to years of a controlling relationship culminating in having my tea spiked with weed when I was on strong anti-depressants which totally fragged my mind leading to a 28 day section. I am long recovered, but my experience could be said to have been triggered by trying to be in control for too long and having it all taken away, undermining any sense of security in the world.

Everyone has there lynchpins and touchstones that form their identity and frame their ability to cope in a very fast moving, tech driven world - what seems trivial to one may be the reason another can get out of bed in the morning. The constant narrative that this unique situation is a time for sacrifice, personal growth, changing the world etc etc is all well and good if you have the agency to get involved, but for those with challenging home environments and work pressures and the fear of this virus it can't be easy and may well lead to impulsive decision making about risks etc.

I feel alot of this could have been avoided back in the beginning when testing and quarantining could have made a real difference - now it is haphazard and experimental and lacks consistency to really identify the way this thing spreads, and that is the main problem and why people feel angry and conflicted about following rules without much of a clear idea of outcome other than "protect the NHS" . Government strategy in February / March is really what put the NHS at risk, but the buck was quickly passed to gen pop - now it is our fault if infections rise because we aren't following the rules properly, although I think the majority are, when those rules might not have been needed to such a degree if incomers from affected areas had been properly screened, tracked and traced and isolated when it was clear there was a problem, and if mass gatherings had been banned. personally I think those two things were the biggest failings, followed by the lack of testing unless people were hospitalised - that, I feel was actual reckless endangerment on the part of the government.

So just my thoughts - as for the VE celebrations, well, if we didn't see a huge rise after Easter, I don't think we'll see one after this weekend - at least I fervently hope not.

Going back to my county's statistics, even if those figures are out by the same number again, would you say the risk of contagion in the area is high?

runrunrunrunt · 09/05/2020 12:01

Some very valid points Old Queen. I can only speak for my area but I feel like there was still some fear at Easter. I saw only one family receive visitors. I literally cannot, on the other hand, believe what I saw out of my window last night.

I appreciate that is anecdata at best but it does sound like this has happened up and down the country. I think there sadly will be a spike though I would live to be wrong.

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Cam77 · 09/05/2020 12:01

It’s hard to make sense of the absolute shit show that has been this government’s response from day one. My best guess - this is what happens when you get a painfully out of your depth PM who selects his rubbish cabinet based on their ideological purity to Brexit and the entire work of government has been focused on nothing but Brexit for the last four years. The Tories may as well merge with the Brexit Party and promote Farage to PM with Johnson as his underling.

Weedsnseeds1 · 09/05/2020 12:02

We had afternoon tea. It was obviously a cesspit of contagion.
Nobody has been anywhere for 6 weeks, apart from two people who are still working, one as security in a vacant building and one as the only person in an office designed for 120 people (can't work at home as has a disabled child). Both drive to work.
I have to own up to only having been in lockdown for 5 weeks as I had to travel for work 1st week of lockdown.
We walk to the farm for veg, eggs and milk.
I did recklessly go to Morrissons on Thursday to buy bottled water for everyone as contractors dug through the main and we had no water for 10 hours.

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BovaryX · 09/05/2020 12:03

Our numbers just now do not suggest that this is the time

@runrunrunrunt
Swearing and repeating yourself does not make your position any more credible. As has been explained to you, that is a criteria. You have no way of knowing how long it will take to meet this criteria. It is possible to enforce lockdown if you live in an authoritarian state. It is not possible to enforce it in a Western liberal democracy. This should be obvious. You want to rant about the government, you can't come up with a timeframe for ending lockdown, you are apparently oblivious to the damage it is doing to the economy and you are unable to explain how it will be enforced. Especially as summer approaches and nobody in the UK has AC....

TinRoofRusty · 09/05/2020 12:04

A friend of mine challenged his neighbours last night, as they were having a loud non-distancing party. And he got beaten up. It’s disgusting.

Gawd, was he ever dumb. Honestly, live and let live.

derxa · 09/05/2020 12:05

Or the view by Boris that some people are expendable. Well he almost died from CV so he may have a different view now.

Glowcat · 09/05/2020 12:05

I walked the dog late yesterday, waiting until after 7pm so it was cooler. I left the house and was faced with about 20 neighbours, adults, children and dogs, milling about in the street. None of them were more than a metre apart and none of them moved to give me any space. It was like they had completely forgotten the whole concept of lockdown.

runrunrunrunt · 09/05/2020 12:06

@BovaryX

Which is what the end of my post I said nobody knows how long because people are idiots. Government are ineffective.

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Glowcat · 09/05/2020 12:06

I don’t care what other people do but my neighbours put me at risk by not backing off.

BackInTime · 09/05/2020 12:08

He’s never implied that lockdown would be lifted , the media did though - for weeks they have categorically stated lock down would only end when the 5 criteria were met

Who do you think feeds the right wing media these things? We are being played like fools.

runrunrunrunt · 09/05/2020 12:09

@BovaryX and you still haven't answered my question, I've answered you four times, when would you end lockdown?

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Topsy44 · 09/05/2020 12:09

There is so much hypocrisy at the moment. I had a lovely afternoon tea keeping social distancing with a couple of my neighbours yesterday, no alcohol, no rowdiness, just a cup of tea and cake2. One neighbour was 'disgusted' that this went on in our street, the same neighbour that has been driving miles every day to walk her dog and has now got a friend over in her front garden chatting away! Other neighbour also not happy about doing it, same neighbour who asked if my DD could come over for a playdate last week.

If you have literally stayed in for the last 6 weeks and not gone anywhere then I think you can rant away but if not have some common sense!!!

minisoksmakehardwork · 09/05/2020 12:10

@runrunrunrunt - that is mind boggling. Perhaps she was under the impression that alcohol consumption kills the virus?

Mind, that would seem to be born out by the number of independent breweries who are currently producing hand sanitiser.

Glowcat · 09/05/2020 12:12

It’s the ignoring social distancing that pisses people off. I’ve spent 6 weeks only leaving the house to walk the dog to protect my elderly parents.

starray · 09/05/2020 12:14

@SusieOwl4 "I think people are reading the papers and not listening to the briefings.thats where the mixed messages are coming from" I think you may have point there.

starray · 09/05/2020 12:17

Those who had parties, what's the point of adults socially distancing and letting the kids run around and mingle? Doesn't make sense.

SudokuBook · 09/05/2020 12:17

Who do you think feeds the right wing media these things? We are being played like fools.

Exactly this

lemonsandlimes123 · 09/05/2020 12:25

i have no experience at all of what you are complaining about. I don't think i know of a single street party and certainly havent seen any evidence of them on my social media. Where do you live?

Saladmakesmesad · 09/05/2020 12:28

Couldn’t agree more, OP. I do think we’ll see a spike in 3 - 4 weeks.

runrunrunrunt · 09/05/2020 12:28

@lemonsandlimes123

Lucky you!

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