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For those who want schools to go back..

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pfrench · 07/05/2020 12:08

.. tell us how you think it should work. Primary or secondary.

In your ideal world.

How would social distancing be adhered to?
How about drop off and pick up?
How would classrooms operate?
How about lunchtimes and breaktimes?
What about after school childcare provision?
What about staff who are sheidling?
What about children who are sheilding?
What about staff who have family members who are sheilding?
Should only some children go back? Who should they be and why?

So many education and school experts on here, it will be interesting to read your safe solutions.

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Othersvoices · 07/05/2020 13:35
  • Group A attends in morning, Group B in afternoon Group A and B attend full days but alternating (so 2 days a week each) Group A attends full time one week, Group B full time the next week*
Othersvoices · 07/05/2020 13:36

School buses?

Othersvoices · 07/05/2020 13:37

I think Germany has functioning public transport unlike the UK

Bubbletwix · 07/05/2020 13:37

In my fantasy world:

Nursery and Primary/Middle school only. Secondary children can learn at home and if their parents agree can socialise in small groups out of school. Acceptance that GCSE and A level courses may have to be resat, extended or modified. Primary curriculum suspended (although broadly followed if possible), ofsted suspended, permanent cancellation of Sats, phonics screens, times table tests etc and unnecessary paperwork and monitoring. No trips, visits etc. Acceptance that educational “standards” by Govian measures might fall. We might all be happier for it.

How would social distancing be adhered to?
It wouldn’t, at least between the kids. It’s emotionally abusive to small children to try it. We’d learn to live with that small risk. Teachers would try to distance between themselves but would inevitably be close to children, especially younger ones.

How about drop off and pick up?
Will be different based on site/travel surely. But for my primary children who walk to school and have external doors for each separate classroom, into a large playground, I don’t see a problem. Other schools would have to minimise where they can (staggered timings?) but otherwise accept the small risks. Parents wouldn’t be allowed in to school unless exceptional circumstances and the parent teacher chats at the end of the day wouldn’t be possible or would have to be done by phone.

How would classrooms operate?
Same way they did before, except perhaps in some schools half a class at a time. Week on:week off. Exceptions for keyworker children. Regular hand washing.

How about lunchtimes and break times?
Staggered by class, outside no matter what weather (our school doesn’t have “wet play”, they have coats), packed lunches. Eaten outside in all but torrential rain. Or however else is safest while still being practical if the school doesn’t have the outside space. We accept some increase in risk.

What about after school childcare provision?
I don’t use this so I have no idea how it normally works but I don’t see why lack of before or after school provision (which doesn’t exist anyway at my children’s school) prevents school opening.

What about staff who are shielding? They stay home. Everyone else who is vulnerable comes in anyway or loses their job - same as every other industry. Where there are then insufficient staff, after considering supply etc, the school has to reduce numbers or close. No reason why every school should remain closed though.

What about children who are shielding? They stay home. They access online learning, phone support etc and we give their parents the right to insist their child is held back a year if they want to on their return. What else can you do?

What about staff who have family members who are shielding?
They go to work like in every other industry, or give up their jobs. See above.

Should only some children go back?
Yes, to begin with. Younger ones first, it’s harder to work with them at home, they find online learning harder and they’re less vulnerable than teens. Absolute priority given to children who have special needs (many of whom don’t have an ehcp and so can’t currently attend). No one should be compelled to send their children unless they want to, places should be kept until at least September.

Who should they be and why? See above.

Let the hole picking begin...

ChippityDoDa · 07/05/2020 13:38

Wow there are actually some rational, realistic people on this thread! There’s obviously an online tin hat making session on somewhere which is attracting all the crazies.

Rainuntilseptember · 07/05/2020 13:39

Teachers wouldn't be resigning Xenia if unsafe to work. They would be signed off for a year (receiving full and then half pay) and then seek early retirement on medical grounds. Not as much of a financial saving as you are imagining. Also massively unfair, as the teacher remains as capable of teaching as ever. There will also be pupils staying at home for the same reasons, needing work provided for them.

Dialdownthedrama · 07/05/2020 13:40

What an odd and irrelevant question.

When schools go back it'll be because the Government and the department of education have decided.

It's got nothing to do with what the public/MNetters think, nor should they be asked to come up with proposed solutions.

thewinkingprawn · 07/05/2020 13:40

I will send my children in as soon as is possible. I don’t expect schools to do anything beyond getting them to wash their hands. If teachers are in the shielded category then they will need to stay home (but this is a relatively small proportion of the overall population so I cannot believe each and every school would have a problem with this) otherwise we all need to crack on. The government is going to have an interesting job convincing some healthy people to crack on though after the hysterical rhetoric around it. Of course if you are shielding or vulnerable you will have to take a view but the vast majority of the healthy population under the age of 60 should be getting on with it as soon as measures are eased. In my view 😀

Rainuntilseptember · 07/05/2020 13:40

When people say "half a class" you kind of need to know what size the original one was. 20? 25? 33?

pennylane83 · 07/05/2020 13:40

Primary schools could operate whereby children don't mix with any other children/teacher outside their own little class bubble so class specific playtimes, eating lunch in their own classroom etc and no sportsday/school plays/assemblies. Not sure how secondary would opperate as students obviously switch between classroom/teacher/classmates every hour.

TingTastic · 07/05/2020 13:41

For those who actually care

  • how are we as a society going to protect the many children at risk of abuse and neglect if they never have access to an adult outside of their household?
Bollss · 07/05/2020 13:42

Perhaps shielding teachers could provide work for kids that don't go in?

Bollss · 07/05/2020 13:42

how are we as a society going to protect the many children at risk of abuse and neglect if they never have access to an adult outside of their household?

Simple answer is we can't and that isn't good enough.

Fortyfifty · 07/05/2020 13:43

I agree with the person - I think on this thread - who said different areas need to act differently. I live in a party of the country with very few deaths and cases. I'm getting a bit fed up with all rules being made according to the worst hit areas.

dreamingbohemian · 07/05/2020 13:44

I have never understood the 'schools aren't child care' argument. Obviously they are not only childcare, but of course they play a major role in allowing parents to work every day.

This is totally accepted here in Berlin, schools here are open during the holidays but there is no teaching, they have a skeleton staff to keep an eye on kids doing free-form activities (i.e., childcare).

If teachers in the UK do not want to go back and they can't figure out how to open schools, then at least open up the buildings as child care centres with supply staff or something. If people need to go back to work, then something will have to be done on a large scale.

thewinkingprawn · 07/05/2020 13:46

Am slightly laughing at whoever said what an irrelevant question like nothing can be debated on here at all.

IlsaLund · 07/05/2020 13:46

How would social distancing be adhered to?

I think it would be nigh on impossible - in my school we have classes of between 28 and 30. If we were to open full tme but reduce class sizes to 15 we'd need 4 extra classes for which we have a) no budget to pay staff b) no room

How about drop off and pick up?
They'll be long and drawn out - in fact I foresee a lot of time being taken just to get pupils in and out and from a to b in the school setting

How would classrooms operate?
Realistically unless you drop numbers to about 5 per class social distancing won't happen. Similarly classrooms are set up where equipment is shared - own stuff/own desk maybe?

How about lunchtimes and breaktimes?
I'm guessing staggered, but again it comes down to pupil numbers. If the whole school are in it isn't feasible. Lunchtime would take all day

What about after school childcare provision?
Not sure as often this is a separate sector, But if it is open and they have different more relaxed rules to school the whole thing becomes farcical

What about staff who are sheidling?
They'll have to stay at home - it's likely insurance won't cover this so schools will have the additional burden of paying for supply teachers - it's not as if you can move them to join other classes

What about children who are sheilding?
Stay at home - of course the problem is who provides their remote learning if class teachers are back to full time teaching

What about staff who have family members who are sheilding?
I think they should be in work otherwise it becomes unsustainable and I believe that is the current guidance

Should only some children go back? Who should they be and why?
Who knows! You could put forward a valid argument for every year group.

dreamingbohemian · 07/05/2020 13:49

Others in German cities anyway, the vast majority of kids walk to school, usually by themselves by the age of 8-9. Parents don't usually come in the school building and there is a 20 minute window to drop off. So this will help avoid crowding.

squiglet111 · 07/05/2020 13:49

For primary I think they should split the days. So half of each class come in am and half in pm. The teachers split the classes between them so effectively teaching same thing twice.

Kids taken to classroom door where they are made to go in and sit down spaced out.

To arrive and leave school the 15 kids in each group are given arrival times spaces out by 5 mins per group of 5. They do the same leaving school.

If they do break time then it must be staggered....but might be better if there is no playtime for now

For high school 10s and 12s back first. Teachers time tables will have to be changed so that there can be smaller class sizes. So splitting a group of 30 between 2/3 teachers. Depending on space of class rooms.

Then maybe 7, 8 and 9s come back same way as primary school. Split am/pm. Or back for a few days a week initially.

squiglet111 · 07/05/2020 13:51

Re children that are shielding then they may not be able to return until a vaccine comes out.

Re staff that are shielding, they continue to shield. SLT would have to step in to teach or supply teachers used.

Quartz2208 · 07/05/2020 13:52

@Fedup21 yes they are. Friends have moved abroad and we are discussing it all.

Norway: friend there said her Year 2 equilvalent son is back her Year 5 is not yet

Friends in an international school in Switzerland have said they are going back 2 days a week until the end of term. It was split in half alphabetically with the first half going first and bottom half THursday/Friday. (Not sure who gets the extra day!)

Like it or not though Boris will be announcing June 1 and the start of Year 6 going back with I suspect a gradual increase of children coming in

@pfrench I like the unscaring process I think schools will be similar. Allow Year 6 back, check nothing happens and add on.

Personally I cannot see Reception or Year 1 going back this term but I could be wrong

Pennypopsicle · 07/05/2020 13:54

Well I think at primary school social distancing can't happen. So if they send them back they need to be doing some tests in the next few weeks in households with primary aged children. They need to be seeing who has immunity. They need to be giving us facts. How many under 50s have died (primary kids parents will be under 50) have they had any health issues. Have any died without a reason?

I don't want to be sending my child back aged five if she's going to be expected to social distance. She needs it to be normal as possible, as all primary aged kids do.

If I was a decision maker for the rest of this academic I would do certain days for half the class to get numbers down to 10-15 per class. One week you go monday-tuesday snd Wednesday morning. The next week you do Wednesday afternoon, Thursday and Friday. You eat dinner with your class on the grass outside or in the classroom. You don't mix with other years. Each year can have certain parts of the day outside. For example.

Reception go out at 9.45am for 15 minutes

Year one at 10.00am
Year two at 10.15am

Juniors can do the same and be on the other side of the playground/field.

Lunches staggered.

Collection after school could be staggered. Infants out first. Ten minutes later juniors?

Washing hands.
Stay home with any sort of illness
Extra cleaning done through the day.

Secondary could be similar. But they are mature enough to sit apart.

They could still mix at breaktime but be encouraged to stand 1 meter apart.

Staggered lunches.

It's hard as we don't have a vaccine. The kids cant hide away until a vaccine.

Whaddyathinkofthis · 07/05/2020 13:54

I've said on a previous thread that I'm not particularly worried about catching CV for a number of reasons.

A) I don't tend to catch respiratory illnesses - I've never had the flu and get through most winters with little more than the odd 'sniffle' - despite working in a 'germ factory' Wink

B) I know I've been in close contact with at least 3 people who've gone on to develop it (as far as we can know in the complete absence of any testing!) whilst in the run up to them developing symptoms and in the first few days of very mild symptoms and I've not caught it.

C) i have zero health anxieties or underlying illnesses and tend to assume I'll always be ok - I generally am.

I'm am happy to go back to school whenever. But I do get irked by, again,

A) the assumption that teachers are not currently working and we are just enjoying a long holiday in advance of our next long holiday Hmm

B) the assumption that returning asap will mean teaching/education is 'resumed'

C) promises by the government of either the above or social distancing.

Send the children back but with the understanding that social distancing will be minimal - great ideas here for managing lunch times and handwashing but that a) takes time and b) is only part of the day.

I'm not work shy or lazy - they can send me back into class full time whenever they like! But be honest about what is achievable. On every count.

Swooningmonkey · 07/05/2020 13:55

Social distancing is just not possible in schools, we’d have to send them in knowing the benefits to the economy out weighs the risks to our children.

Any phased return is going to be a nightmare for parents as it is. Unless my Y1 child goes in on the same days as my Y3 child, it’s going to be an impossible schedule to maintain.

Godzillasonice · 07/05/2020 13:56

I honestly don't know how it would work where I am. We only have classes of 8 as it's a special school. There is no way we could practice social distancing.

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