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For those who want schools to go back..

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pfrench · 07/05/2020 12:08

.. tell us how you think it should work. Primary or secondary.

In your ideal world.

How would social distancing be adhered to?
How about drop off and pick up?
How would classrooms operate?
How about lunchtimes and breaktimes?
What about after school childcare provision?
What about staff who are sheidling?
What about children who are sheilding?
What about staff who have family members who are sheilding?
Should only some children go back? Who should they be and why?

So many education and school experts on here, it will be interesting to read your safe solutions.

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FamilyOfAliens · 09/05/2020 09:57

I think it would help people of schools and teachers started sharing what their plans were for when they do have to open. You must be formulating different plans and scenarios?? What are they?

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but it’s unlikely teachers unions would be on here discussing their ideas with anonymous internet users when the time comes to work out the safest way to open schools.

Pomegranatepompom · 09/05/2020 09:57

MN is just not representative (I hope), people constantly snippy, aggressive. I really hope it’s not representative, this board is full of self centred posts.

Also not fair to say parents don’t care if they want their DC to return to school. Bring away from friends and school is not positive for my DC who ate both struggling. Having 2 key worker parents means they are not getting much quality time. Yes I’m aware I could send them to school before someone pulls me up on that, we chose not to so as to limit theirs and others exposure.
I fear for children the longer this continues.

Floatyboat · 09/05/2020 09:57

Buckets cost £1 in home bargains.

walksen · 09/05/2020 09:58

i dont think anyone is claiming teachers have it worse than anyone. That would be nhs and care workers exposed to people with confirmed corona and high viral loads.

a lot of posters seems to think it is perfectly possible to socially distance in school when it isnt and anyone who has ever worked in one will know it.

By the same token we can acknowledge that social distancing is not 100% possible anywhere. supermarkets can enforce it out of the shop and try and protect workers but im sure most of us have experienced that it is not followed by all. adults routinely break and ignore rules in store.

people can be blase about it because the risk to children is small. There is little evidence of a thought out exit policy has been put in place. Given the shit show with care homes with patients discharged from hospitals causing outbreaks which by the governments own admission is still raging this is not suprising.

I would expect that schools will continue to provide childcare as more industries set up and adapt to social distancing but this academic year is already ruined. I dont know how things will look in sept either but i doubt things will be "normal" for another year to 18 months.

HipTightOnions · 09/05/2020 09:59

*Oh, and now we have to check kids' hair for nits, whilst we're at it?

It was a tongue in cheek remark. But you knew that*

Hard to tell. It’s barely more bonkers than some of the other suggestions.

fasttracksign · 09/05/2020 09:59

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but it’s unlikely teachers unions would be on here discussing their ideas with anonymous internet users when the time comes to work out the safest way to open schools.

But teachers and head teachers should also be coming up with various plans themselves depending on their own specific schools and possible government plans. Surely they aren't all waiting at home to be spoon fed by the unions?? That's ludicrous and feeds the narrative of snowflake schools thinking they are super precious.

greathat · 09/05/2020 10:00

You watch there will be fighting in the aisles over buckets now to send in to schools. Although I reckon hoses would be better...

CallmeAngelina · 09/05/2020 10:00

How many children are meant to dunk their germy hands in the bucket before the water is changed?
How far are the buckets to be carried from the nearest tap with (warm?) water? Who is to carry them (they're heavy)? Where is the dirty water to be emptied. Who is to clear up the inevitable spills? Who will provide paper towels that are actually absorbent enough to do that? Or mops? Who will defend and pay out the inevitable legal claim from a parent if their child slips in a puddle of spilled water?
Oh sorry, am I being defeatist? Or just exhibiting a bit of fucking common sense.

MrsWhites · 09/05/2020 10:01

@Strictly1 I’m a parent but I completely understand why teachers want reassurances. Lots of parents are not happy for their children to go back to school without the same reassurances that measures will be in place to protect everyone involved!

CallmeAngelina · 09/05/2020 10:01

Buckets cost £1 in home bargains.

Yeah, shit thin ones, with handles that would fall off as soon as you pick them up, even without them being filled up with heavy water.

FamilyOfAliens · 09/05/2020 10:02

So protest it! Do something. Organise yourselves

Wait, you want teachers to do your protesting for you now?

But it's not it that is it. It's obvious by these threads that many teachers simply do not want to go back to work, and are probably putting that pressure on their superiors and their unions. All these excuses are being fed back up the chain of command. Whether the govt decides or not, this unwillingness to get back to work hardly inspires confidence with anyone

Oh DFOD.

I’ve been working every day since schools closed. I also worked unpaid over the Easter holidays and no doubt will be doing the same over May half term. Stop trying to drive a wedge been schools and parents with your pointless goading from the sidelines.

Mistressiggi · 09/05/2020 10:03

Floaty go along then and get the ones my school would need (just under 1000) and then the ones for the other 100 schools in my area. Think home bargains would have enough for that?
You'd think some of you had never actually been to school with the idiotic things you say.

Barbie222 · 09/05/2020 10:03

I think it would help people of schools and teachers started sharing what their plans were for when they do have to open. You must be formulating different plans and scenarios??

No, we shouldn't be sharing any planning. There are really good reasons why. But is is happening. We are used to making plans that change at the last minute and coping!

I think the problem here is that teachers do detail. We have to, because safeguarding, liability, the wide variety of perspectives of the public, and lots of other reasons - and lots of you here on this thread don't.

Floatyboat · 09/05/2020 10:04

No I have 3 buckets from home bargains, they're fine. Each kid brings in or is given a bucket and soap. Filled at start of the day, left in playground, classroom wherever suits and then washes in it periodically. Or employ a ppe clad domestic staff to help fill them en masse. There is definitely a way to clean hands it just needs some imagination.

FamilyOfAliens · 09/05/2020 10:05

But teachers and head teachers should also be coming up with various plans themselves depending on their own specific schools and possible government plans. Surely they aren't all waiting at home to be spoon fed by the unions?? That's ludicrous and feeds the narrative of snowflake schools thinking they are super precious.

Who knows what discussions are being held between teachers, unions and the government? Certainly not you!

Although if it helps your “snowflake” narrative you crack on believing nothing is being done.

Daffodil101 · 09/05/2020 10:05

Of all the things the teachers say is risky, the one about parents sending in sick children, or kids with temperatures - that’s a definite concern. They do it at my child’s school and it makes me livid. There needs to be very serious consequences around this.

A lot of the other stuff is surmountable once you accept that social distancing isn’t possible in schools. It’s not possible in a lot of jobs, so they use PPE. A lot of those jobs are much, much higher risk, eg caring for the physical health of actual rather than perceived patients.

I think it really does sound hysterical and defeatist to cite ‘no soap’ or ‘we aren’t allowed hand sanitiser.’ And yes, people cherry pick research, however at some point we have to decide which research to follow, and it won’t be you or I making that call, fortunately.

I have suggested previously that teachers who don’t want to be in the classroom with children should have the option to opt out, this received no reply apart from one person saying ‘but I won’t get paid if I opt out.’

No nurse would get paid, either.

We public employees are in a fairly privileged position, though we might not have thought so in the past. I would like to be furloughed at home on 80%, however I’d also be worried by now about redundancy.

There is something about being employed in essential services and paid from the state purse that entails a moral obligation to put your best foot forward. To ‘have a go’ and act in the interest of others.

That sense of duty and obligation is why some public employees set foot on Covid wards. My husband has to do it. We can’t afford to become hysterical about it, otherwise people wouldn’t have doctors.

I had to do it myself in April. The patient was not on my caseload, the hospital was not my usual place of work, but I was needed. I wasn’t happy about it, but I didn’t refuse either. I weighed it up and concluded that in order to refuse, I’d have to go off sick or take unpaid leave. They gave me PPE, the ward was crowded, people stood too close, but I didn’t catch the virus.

September will see no change in this virus unless there’s a vaccine or it’s gone away. I think there will be a vaccine, but it won’t be ready for September.

Until then, and possibly for a while afterwards, I still maintain that we should give people the right to refuse to take a risk with their own health, however, once the government say it’s safe to do so, citing whatever research they agree on, I think we ‘state’ employees will have to accept not being paid if we refuse. We can take it to our unions (I’m a member of two different ones), however I’m not sure that taking strike action during a pandemic would cast any profession (teacher or otherwise) in a favourable light, and I can well imagine the press holding up the example of doctors, nurses, carers, supermarket workers and whoever as examples of why teachers (with PPE) were being ‘unreasonable,’ and for that I think they would lose a great deal of public goodwill, which would be a shame when they do such a great job, really.

CallmeAngelina · 09/05/2020 10:06

It's obvious by these threads that many teachers simply do not want to go back to work, and are probably putting that pressure on their superiors and their unions.

"Obvious?" "Probably?" Is that your evidence?

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 09/05/2020 10:06

Floaty, ther is no room in my crammed classroom for 30 buckets. There just isn’t. And teens would be silly and flick the water. Or knock it over, thereby spreading the virus more, so it defeats the object.

FamilyOfAliens · 09/05/2020 10:06

Or employ a ppe clad domestic staff to help fill them en masse.

Oh, thank you for the laughs. This is priceless!

Floatyboat · 09/05/2020 10:06

@Mistressiggi. Most people have a bucket at home. You wouldn't need to buy that many. Matt Hancock could mass purchase them. Loads of options. What is your genius solution then, continue letting disadvantaged kids get more disadvantaged?

Fedup21 · 09/05/2020 10:07

Can you imagine the parents of the child who slipped over in the water when the bucket slipped out of the teacher’s hand (dodgy handle) and broke their leg.

The sad face photo in the Daily Fail will have the mum saying-‘what were they thinking, lugging buckets of cold water to two flights of stairs? It’s just not safe! And the bucket only cost £1 from Home Bargains, apparently! And I’ve put in a complaint about the teacher touching his hair...’

Parrotsandpussies · 09/05/2020 10:08

@Greenlorry
You have misunderstood. I'm not remotely anxious about going back. Before we closed I had numerous children coming up to me burning up and with high temperatures. I teach sitting next to children. I have been in throughout the lockdown, teaching.

I said in my post that I'm desperate to get back to work. And I am. But I am concerned about other people. Other staff, parents, the children. I am saying that risks need to be minimal so that we can go back and stay back:
"schools need to be able to run safely and smoothly" were my words. I haven't mentioned my anxiety about me at all!! I'm not anxious about me.

I also have not mentioned a vaccine because I absolutely agree with you that we'll be waiting a long time.

I think you have misunderstood what I believed to be an uncontroversial post about going back but making sure measures were in place to maximise the chances of families and staff staying safe.

Teach or resign? Teach every time mate. You're angry with the wrong person!

Floatyboat · 09/05/2020 10:08

@Daffodil101. Thanks for your balanced view point. It's reassuring to read.

Mistressiggi · 09/05/2020 10:08

Way above my paygrade. I will wait until my first minister decides the R value is sufficiently low - and we have track and trace set up - and then we will probably have a staggered return with a third of the students in at a time. None of them will be carrying buckets.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 09/05/2020 10:09

Yeah😂and then imagine the headlines about a kid who’d caught from spilt water..... Daily Faily would blame the staff