‘School will have to look different from now on’....

[Starrynightsabove]

‘With a mix of home schooling and in-school learning’

So said Nicola Sturgeon.

So how does this work for a single parent trying to work full time from home with a full on job who needs to pay the mortgage. Literally how does this work?

Even getting father's to do 50% doesn't solve the issue that many of us need 2 FT wages to pay the bills...

I don't think attitudes will change a huge amount myself : it'll still be women trying to sort it all out or losing their jobs if they have to home school for longer etc

It doesn't matter if societal attitudes don't change. Society doesn't like my lifestyle, I couldn't give a stuff. As long as me, dh and our family are happy and we aren't doing anything to hurt anyone who gives a stuff.

If it's important you work and you have a partner he needs to step up and take 50% of the responsibility of all family life.
Ito feminism, I can't understand why women set their bar so low tbh.
Marry a crap man but expect society and the workplace to make up for this. This puts feminism back, not the way society functions. We need to take responsibility to change things in our own lives before tackling the issues round feminism.

@cologne4711 same for coffee shops, people sitting outside costa using free WiFi

I agree with Pics. She is not saying men can't share the childcare/education 50/50, she's saying, in real life, on the whole they don't.
Think of all the men in the UK who don't even pay for their own children, let alone give any thought to their children's day to day well being. Women almost always pick up the slack, and THAT'S why our jobs are more at risk, because employers know it too. Noone is saying that is how it should be, but for most women it just is.

Ito feminism, I can't understand why women set their bar so low tbh. Marry a crap man but expect society and the workplace to make up for this.

What a shame all the abused women and single mothers weren't as clever as you?

I have met ONE man in my whole life who genuinely took the brunt of housework and child related stuff. One. The human race would die out if women waited for a non crap man tbh.

Th Ed point is everything will have to change. It already has. Men when forced to step up generally will. And the state has to take up the slack then again so be it. It’s been proven the capability is there. When educated professional women start getting shafted that’s when things change rightly or wrongly

If schools are going to change long term and families have to go back to only having one income then the only way forward imo is universal basic income.

We need to bring boys up better - as parents, as a society.

The bloke I live with is (father of my child), is alright at the boring life admin stuff, we share it - it's not been explicit, but kind of ended up with us both doing the jobs we least hate. His mum brought him up as a feminist.

pfrench

I totally agree. My dil's love me I brought the lads up to cook, clean, do laundry, and they looked after their dsis, changing nappies and feeding. (huge age gap)
It wasn't to be a lazy fucker myself, it was to make them some use for their future partners.
They got to about 18 and i told them if they carried on gaming they wouldn't find a decent gf as it was a bit sad looking. They sold them and haven't gamed since. I'm mean, I know.
So many of their friends parents thought we were wrong for insisting they did their share, but it's paid off in the end, when some of their friends are on family number two now.
They are never too young to learn, in an age appropriate way.

We cant make teachers work longer hours they have children too ,thats just crazy.
I wouldnt want my children at school past the time they are now, no way primary school age would mange at school until night time.
who the hell would want that for their child?

Pics

Who said I was referring to sp or abused women.
I'm talking about ALL the others. The ones who work and put up with a husband doing nothing, have to do it all themselves, will be the ones to give up work.
My point is, they don't have to, they are choosing to be the martyr.

Teachers work crazy hours as it is.
I used to think they did 9 to 5 then I got a job in a school! Unless you see it for yourself you don't know. Secondary school must be even worse.

Chrissie.

Working with very deprived children with a lot of deprivation and violence in their lives and very poor access to Ed psych hours and SALT, and a very wide range of abilities which meant differentiation 5 ways and pre the days of twinkl and online stuff.

Then working in an sen school for autism, ebd and moderate learning difficulties while being sent on many courses which involved a lot of study. And took on a middle management role.

Walk in the park 🤷🏻‍♀️

Devlesko

Is exploitation the fault of the exploiter or the exploited? Should the blame be attributed to the overworked woman or the feckless user of a husband?

Should the question be "why didn't you ask him how he would act after marriage", or should it be "why did you choose to exploit her after marriage"?

Agree with everything you've said through and through @PicsInRed. Shocker that when a man is shit, people are still blame... literally any woman in his life, be it his mother for raising him wrong or his partner for putting up with it. Would be awful if he had to take any responsibility for his own actions

The reality is that without schools, so many women won't be able to work. So many single mothers will go back to being in poverty and barely surviving. Schools may not be primarily for childcare anymore, but they still provide it.

@Devlesko

Maybe she plans to make absent parents pay for their kids, then the resident parent doesn't have to work, or can drop to part time. It's certainly a step in the right direction, especially whilst we need to socially distance

My ex pays plenty of maintenance and I don’t want to leave my job as I’ve built my career up over the last twenty years. I should drop that and my decent income to claim benefits and lose my house. That’s a step in the right direction? There are plenty of single parents that have careers and want to keep them.

@Starrynightsabove - obviously not and equally you can pay for childcare so clearly we’re not talking about the likes of you are we

But there is no childcare! Or school! And I can’t homeschool and do my job. So what do I do?

Hire a member of staff who’s been furloughed from your local nursery, get an au pair, what do you think the rat of us are doing lol

Everyone thinks schools have power. We don’t. I am a teacher, still working out of the home at least 3 days a week and organising home learning for ‘my’class when at home.
I have a DC who should be sitting Nat5s about nowish. I can’t help them. I have not got that expertise.
No one has ever consulted me or any other teacher I know about working hours in the future.
I don’t think we are the problem.
We literally have no power!

I am frontline nhs working part time to fit in with my children being at school, I am already on flexible working, my husband is the main earner of the household so if schools are to be part time or whatever rubbish she has spouted this time then that will be me giving up the job I love then, considering the staffing crisis already faced by the nhs it’s only going to get worse if this is permanent

This isn't about coming up with some ideal solution. The situation is far from ideal.

In practical terms, things which may help, IMO

• Continued flexible and home working from employers, allowing parents to stagger start/end times to minimise childcare needs
• Allowing child minders to reopen, maybe with reduced numbers (and support nursery staff to operate as childminders/nannies until they reopen)
• Schools to set work understanding that not all children are going to be doing it 9 - 3 Monday to Friday. E.g. Some will do it before their parents start work. Some will catch up at the weekend or evenings etc. And even young children will need to be able to do as much as possible with minimal parental input.
• Teachers need to be given proper time to set suitable online material.

Hire a member of staff who’s been furloughed from your local nursery, get an au pair, what do you think the rat of us are doing

We are not allowed to contact nursery staff for our own benefit so this wouldn't be allowed. Plus our nursery is still open to key workers so they're at work.

How the hell do you think anyone could get an au pair right now!

@TrustTheGeneGenie I’d say all bets are off right now in terms of nursery contracts and their are hundreds of younger people in London stuck who’s hospitality jobs have been pulled. If you need to get creative you’ll think of a solution.