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Neil Ferguson - is this Too good to be true?

437 replies

LilacTree1 · 05/05/2020 19:34

Resigns after breaking the lockdown?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/

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marinintheuk · 05/05/2020 22:43

Who cares he has been wrong several times in the past.

10,958 people died in the last week of November 2019 and no one noticed the rise - bunch of wankers.

donquixotedelamancha · 05/05/2020 22:43

I have no idea what the Express article said.

Woooo. Neil Ferguson has done consulting work for the PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY. He got paid. They are BAD and we can't trust anything he says.

Also, he refuses to say where he was when Diana died.

Alsohuman · 05/05/2020 22:44

That photo of "the Woman" in the Telegraph link, what a load of misogynistic shite - of course she would be wearing 'harlot' bright red lipstick, wouldn't she

Oh the irony of an accusation of misogyny and a reference too “harlot bright red lipstick” in the same sentence. I had no idea my choice of lipstick was regarded as an indication that I was a sex worker.

chomalungma · 05/05/2020 22:45

Looking at the paper, I would question the assumptions based around the spread of a disease.

It doesn't look like they accounted for Sweden's demographics and the way the population lives - eg home working, single people households etc. Plus the differing population density in Sweden.

I guess it's got to be hard to model that - to model contacts and how something can spread. 1 person infects 2 infects 4 etc

But what if a lot of those same people just interact with each other. We don't all move around the country randomly. We have bubbles that overlap and occasionally spread out to others.

CrowCat · 05/05/2020 22:46

Is anyone really surprised that it's one rule for 'us' and an entirely different one for 'them'? Here we are worrying about seeing a family member from the gate or sharing a coffee with a neighbour in the garden, meanwhile the guy who insisted on it is happily getting his end away.

If only I had a quid for the amount of times I've said this lockdown is bullshit..

SouthWestmom · 05/05/2020 22:50

What do we bet other 'important' people are also mildly abusing lockdown. Or are all of them isolating and avoiding contact - hope Carrie and Boris haven't introduced the baby to anyone, hope none of them have found excuses for business lunches with friends.

It just contributes to other people thinking fuck it and not complying.

everythingthelighttouches · 05/05/2020 22:52

Well that is a very political release of information . I wonder how long they’ve been sitting on that??

I presume Professor Cummings will now have more influence?!

I’m taking this as an indication that the Government will be easing lockdown now.

There are a range of views on SAGE and Neil Ferguson was at the more cautionary end of the scale.

I think if they’d listened to him sooner, we would have licked down a week earlier and saved many more lives.

Also, what a bloody hypocritical twerp!

chomalungma · 05/05/2020 22:54

I presume Professor Cummings will now have more influence

I wonder how many journalists are watching him at the moment and tracking his movements?

donquixotedelamancha · 05/05/2020 22:54

It doesn't look like they accounted for Sweden's demographics and the way the population lives - eg home working, single people households etc. Plus the differing population density in Sweden.

You'd think that, but actually if you look at the early data from Sweden before the voluntary lockdown it follows the same growth pattern as other countries. Perhaps because it was happening in urban centers?

Still those factors must be part of why their 'soft' lockdown has been remarkably effective.

HandsOffMyRights · 05/05/2020 22:59

The hypocrisy.

I was ill (think it was tonsillitis) a few weeks ago, but I was meticulous about my 14 day quarantine, even though I desperately wanted to go out and looked and felt fine after 7 days. I didn't want to risk infecting others. I am so sick of the double standards.

He's in good company with fellow cheat, Johnson.

Mumlove5 · 05/05/2020 22:59

The more that actual facts are emerging around this pandemic and its consequences, it is becoming clear were are being told to commit economic and social suicide based on wrong methods and wrong information.

Good read...
www.globalresearch.ca/models-tests-consequences/5711194

The Dubious COVID Models

Two major models are being used in the West since the alleged spread of coronavirus to Europe and USA to “predict” and respond to the spread of COVID-19 illness. One was developed at Imperial College of London. The second was developed, with emphasis on USA effects, by the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) in Seattle, near the home of Microsoft founder Bill Gates. What few know is that both groups owe their existence to generous funding by a tax exempt foundation that stands to make literally billions on purported vaccines and other drugs to treat coronavirus—The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

In early March, Prof. Neil Ferguson, head of the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis at Imperial College London issued a widely-discussed model that forecast possible COVID-19 deaths in the UK as high as 500,000. Ferguson works closely with the WHO. That report was held responsible for a dramatic u-turn by the UK government from a traditional public health policy of isolating at risk patients while allowing society and the economy to function normally. Days after the UK went on lockdown, Ferguson’s institute sheepishly revised downwards his death estimates, several times and dramatically. His dire warnings have not come to pass and the UK economy, like most others around the world, has gone into deep crisis based on inflated estimates.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 05/05/2020 23:05

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donquixotedelamancha · 05/05/2020 23:08

What few know is that both groups owe their existence to generous funding by a tax exempt foundation that stands to make literally billions on purported vaccines and other drugs to treat coronavirus—The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Don't forget the Iluminati and the lizard people.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 05/05/2020 23:10

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Mikki2019 · 05/05/2020 23:15

@CrowCat absolutely

We’ve all been struggling away , old people not able to see their grandchildren or single mums have anyone to help and the arrogance of Ferguson to be breaking the lockdown he informed, motivated by shagging , while Bj is going on about the sacrifice we are all making together !
It’s actually criminal

MrsWooster · 05/05/2020 23:16

I’ve read the thread with interest and still can’t see the correlation between someone being a dick and having an affair, and this meaning that he is /was wrong about lockdown.

donquixotedelamancha · 05/05/2020 23:16

Don the model has not been Peer reviewed.

Presumably what you mean is it hasn't been published in a peer reviewed jounal because of the timescales involved? Again, this is not my area but I am pretty certain that there are no issues which would have stopped it getting through that process.

It's certainly been subject to a lot of peer scrutiny.

Is not documented and he did not release the full code. How is that defensible? It appears many in the coding community have been questioning it for weeks.

I like open source software but sadly it is not the norm. I doubt that NF could just release the code, it's probably owned by Imperial. Hardly indefensible.

If it's any consolation, similar individualised SIR models yield comparable results- I can't see there is likely to be anything especially unusual in the code.

CrowCat · 05/05/2020 23:18

Mikki all we've had rammed down our throats is how we're all in this together and thanks for our sacrifice. Pfft. What a joke.

HannahStern · 05/05/2020 23:20

Neil Ferguson?

If it weren't for him, the UK would have continued shaking hands with everyone. We'd now have 300,000+ deaths. Think what this would have saved the government in pension payments!!

Bastard!!!

HeIenaDove · 05/05/2020 23:24

@MrsWooster To me they are two seperate things. My problem is with the hypocrisy.

VenusTiger · 05/05/2020 23:27

@MrsWooster - think about who is quids in when it comes to treatment and cure (vaccines): pharmas - so, Gates, Clinton, and from what I'm reading Ferguson and Whitty Shock - it's all over Twitter - who knows how accurate this information is, but it does make you question it all - Sweden sticks out like a sore thumb. To to answer your question, was lockdown ever necessary at all? Was it just to make us shit scared so we'd all fall into line to queue for a miracle vaccine from Imperial College or from Gates - I really don't know what to believe at this point so please do tell me I'm being a naive twat as fake news is rife like never before - and I stopped watching tv news March 2019 - it's all speculation at this stage, but it's a concern nonetheless.

Legoandloldolls · 05/05/2020 23:31

Dirty bugger 😂

You wouldn't catch Chris Witty doing that. At least I hope not. I so want to trust him.

PrincessConsueIaBananaHammock · 05/05/2020 23:35

the alleged spread of coronavirus

Alleged? There are many things that went wrong and should be questioned about all this but there's no "alleged" about the spread.

nettie434 · 05/05/2020 23:35

There was a good summary in the Conversation about why different models produce different results. It came out over a month ago so apologies if everyone has read it already:

theconversation.com/coronavirus-weve-had-imperial-oxford-and-many-more-models-but-none-can-have-all-the-answers-135137

SudokuBook · 05/05/2020 23:44

I’ve read the thread with interest and still can’t see the correlation between someone being a dick and having an affair, and this meaning that he is /was wrong about lockdown.

Well, he clearly doesn’t think the lockdown rules require to be followed, does he? And he’s been wrong on so much models in the past. I wouldn’t be surprised if when all this is done and dusted that accepting his model and basing measures on that prevented only marginal, if any, deaths. I can’t stand him and don’t believe any of his “modelling “