Telegraph reporting primary schools to return 1 June

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www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/02/primary-schools-reopen-june-part-blueprint-unlock-britain/

Sorry it’s behind a paywall.

Just heard about this on the radio. They are suggesting that Johnson will address the country next Sunday (10/5) with the roadmap, part of which will be primary schools returning on 1 June.

Not saying I believe it, just sharing the link.

@AnnieAnt Okay, up to you. If you decide when you send your kids back based on time rather than evidence.
Mine aren't going back whatever the government says.
And tbh although they would enjoy the social side, I really can't see by this stage them going back making much difference academically.

This is a tough time. But I see my job as making sure all my family come out alive and ready to sort out our lives and face whatever it brings.

I imagine the unions will have to defer to the scientists who say it's safe
If you think the scientific community will speak with one voice on this or that there is such a thing as an absolute concept of safety then you have no understanding of science. The decision as to when schools reopen will be a political decision.

Who are you furious AT zebra?

I fully understand science. Don’t be so rude.

What I also know, is that teachers saying ‘it’s not safe’ has no basis in science, and when the scientists that the government are relying upon (rightly or wrongly) say it’s safe to return, teachers and their unions won’t stand a chance.

That’s the fact of the matter. I didn’t say I agreed with them.

Could maybe possibly if this if that etc etc etc. Will believe it when I hear it out of Boris's mouth. Media just want to stir it all up with the whens and hows, lets be honest, joe public's thoughts and opinions mean nothing and I'm bloomin well fed up of the lot of it !!

Why is our saying "it's not safe" not based on science, if we have read all the same medical journals that the scientists have?

@Daffodil101 It is the unions job to protect their staff. That includes pregnant and medically vulnerable staff.
There is no scientific consensus that children do not transmit covid 19 to adults, so the union would be stupid to defer to what the government says.
The government has still been saying that children do not tend to get covid 19 even though 2 studies in China and Germany say children get it at the same rate as adults. So no I do not trust the governments idea of scientific evidence. They cherry pick.

@Daffodil101 Sorry but I don't think you understand how scientific research happens. It evolves, thinking evolves. That is currently happening. So saying this is what a scientist said then, is meaningless if the thinking has changed as they learn more.
That is what is happening.

Daffodil - I will be furious that the schools have gone back, but the public exams were cancelled.

My DS would have almost certainly benefitted from sitting the actual exams. In his GCSEs he did much better than his mocks and his predicted results. He got 4 9's and 4 8s, and 1 7 0 he was not predicted anything like this - but he came through n he actual exams. WHy cancel the public exams if schools will be sent back in fucking June???

If schools g back in un but he doesn;t take his exams (and we now he won't now) - I will be furious. If they were going to send them back in June - he couldve taken his A levels!

There will be a scientific opinion that the government use for their decision making. That will evolve, but at some point, on some date in the future, they will decide on it. Likely at a time it’s still evolving.

I understand what unions do. I’m NHS. I’m in a union. I have friends who are teachers who don’t want to go back. I didn’t want to be redeployed to the front line. Luckily I wasn’t, but if I had been, I’d have either gone, or accepted I wouldn’t be paid.

Pretty soon I’ll have to go back to seeing patients face to face. I’m not sure on what basis I can refuse to do so and still expect to be paid.

What would I use as definitive proof that my perception that ‘it’s not safe’ trumps that if government scientists?

I understand that the scientists will give an opinion that suits political agenda. I’m just stating the facts.

Why is this being reported in the Telegraph, when no such report has been made by the govt and in their daily reports?

1. The people who run the Telegraph and read the Telegraph want people back to work ASAP because the sooner people back to work the lower their tax bill to pay for furlough and the better for their pension/portfolio
2. the article is behind a paywall. Cue people paying to read the full thing - click bait.
3. people (Boris) can monitor the reaction and see if it’s feasible. No point in opening schools if the parents refuse to send their kids back and accuse you of risking children’s lives for profit.

Yes zebra. I understand that.

But WHO are you furious with?

There will be a scientific opinion that the government use for their decision making.

Do we actually still believe that? What about face masks? Do you think that the science conveniently shows us, one of the few countries not to insist on them, that they aren’t necessary when coincidentally we don’t have enough to issue to those that need them?

Daffodil - I'm furious at the people who made the decision to CANCEL the A level exams, but then send people back to school on 1st June - when my son could've still taken his exams? Surely that's obvious?

So - the government. The people in charge.

If you refuse to send your kid to school your an idiot, period!!

Nobody is refusing to send their children to school user - the schools are SHUT. The EXAMS were CANCELLED.

If they send the kids back to school on 1st June - there is a valid question as to WHY the yr 13s were denied the opportunity to sit their A levels.

@user Do you understand that a stranger on the internet calling me an idiot will not change my mind?

I actually think in retrospect that I did not take my kids out of school early enough. I should have taken them out the week before.
We sill have a high rate of daily deaths and no proper testing and contact tracing.

If you refuse to send your kid to school your an idiot, period!!

*you're an idiot, period.

@Theflushedzebra

Why are you getting so worked up about a newspaper article printing something that isn't even true?

I am refusing to send my kids back if schools reopen on the 1st of June. Obviously will send them back, but not then.

Theflushedzebra - your reaction is exactly my point and just what the media loves. The government have not said go iron the uniforms and get the lunch boxes out, the Telegraph has. Ffs. It has no standing. Who cares what they say

😂 You serious? Think it's nearly bedtime, petal.

And schools are NOT shut so dont shout that they are.

@Theflushedzebra but there was no guarantee that schools would be back on 1 June (there still isn’t) so a decision had to be made pretty quickly once schools were closed what to do about exams.