Fertility treatment to resume

[barbites]

Great news if you are having fertility treatment. Not sure why this is a priority given all the critical treatments and investigations put on hold.
Would really like dd to get her braces put on at the Orthodontists but obviously it's closed. Don't understand why fertility treatment has been prioritised?

I'd assume it's the risk profile of the patients (age, BMI) and the nature of the interaction allowing much better social distancing than other treatments. Plus self contained units.

Routine screening is suspended but acting on symptoms isn't.

Apart from cervical screening most of the other screening programmes cover people in higher risk groups - cost benefit of getting people to travel and wait for routine screening Vs ongoing lockdown.

Any major op that would lead to an inpatient stay would carry risks - cost benefit analysis probably similar to that for chemo/radio!

Good to know positive I think it’s worth highlighting people’s misconceptions about IVF though, it’s like they think we’re having it on a whim or something.

You seriously suggesting there's a huge difference between a colposcopy and say embryo transfer or egg removal??? I'm not medical but they are very similar procedures.

You get a colposcopy if you have abnormal cells and may well need treatment that would make you vulnerable.

They aren’t mutually exclusive. If it was safe to have a colposcopy they’d be running them.

This is amazing news!! This should be a priority and it makes me really happy that there is an end in sight for the many people waiting x

It isn’t essential. So many bleat on here how it is selfish for having children due to the damage to the environment and the high population of the world.

Not sure how the country can afford to fund it full stop, especially when this recession/depression really kicks in.

So for example someone might not get an appointment at the eye clinic, that might save their sight, because the fertility clinic opened first and the footfall around the hospital is higher, so the eye clinic has to wait longer to open as covid deaths are still high

Do you know this for a fact or are you just making shit up? Lots of things are reopening at the moment and it’s good to reduce uncertainly over these things. They are telling people not to wait a and are making local decisions about what to open. They are just removing a blanket ban, so clinics can start operations kf they feel ready

It’s not as if you can redeploy fertility specialists to the infectious disease department; They just lose their jobs ....

The fertility staff are clinical staff and could be reassigned. I'm sure there was discussion about vets being called up!! My husband and I both work for the NHS, I'm clinical and he isn't, however he's just trained for Nightingale to be a critical care assistant. As I understand it the Nightingales cannot be fully staffed as there aren't enough staff.
Clearly different when facilities are private and staff aren't NHS.
I wonder if other private facilities will be opening up...

"It’s not as if you can redeploy fertility specialists to the infectious disease department; They just lose their jobs ..."
You clearly are making shit up. Noone said or even suggested that. .

So what are you suggesting?

I’m shocked at how lacking in empathy towards infertility some posters on mumsnet are.

Firstly, I understand the importance of the clinics opening and I wish people all the best with their IVF journey.
I did, however, want to add that even a low risk pregnancy and birth has a cost to the NHS as well as women being exposed to various medical professionals. I am certainly not saying it’s a reason to not go ahead but it’s a tad blasé to think it’s just a couple of scans.
Some people are desperate for a race to the bottom and are just plain old spiteful. I can be pleased for those who are able to now access IVF even though I’m disappointed at the wait for treatment for my health needs.

Me resuming my PRIVATELY paid for treatment is my own business - it's not impacting the NHS anymore than another person who is lucky enough to be fertile who also is lucky enough to get pregnant the same time as me

This has to be the key issue here. Most IVF is done privately in clinics no where near NHS hospitals.

It will have little to no impact on NHS operating procedures.
It is also much lower risk than dental work as it doesn't have the aerosol issues.

I wonder if other private facilities will be opening up...

I understand that private scanning never closed down as one example.

midwestsummer Sun 03-May-20 03:59:21
Me resuming my PRIVATELY paid for treatment is my own business - it's not impacting the NHS anymore than another person who is lucky enough to be fertile who also is lucky enough to get pregnant the same time as me

This has to be the key issue here. Most IVF is done privately in clinics no where near NHS hospitals.

It will have little to no impact on NHS operating procedures.
It is also much lower risk than dental work as it doesn't have the aerosol issues.
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Very good post. It's nobody's business if people are funding themselves because they are not taking anything from the NHS at this time of crisis.

It's a pretty desperate business and the chances of becoming pregnant through IVF are pretty low but it does happen sometimes which is why people are prepared to go through it all. By all accounts it is a very difficult process to go through, I don't honestly think I'd have been brave enough, especially with such a high chance of disappointment.

People have to work these things out from themselves though, those not in the same position aren't particularly helpful.

You clearly are making shit up. Noone said or even suggested that

What I said was true though. Now please prove what you are saying. (I don’t think you can)

@Lynda07 this, all this

Is this thread still going?! There’s not much point it debating it or moaning, it’s already been decided. As ever these kind of threads encourages the “l find it so easy to get pregnant, not sure why other people dont” brigade to emerge from somewhere. Plus inferences IVF is a lifestyle choice, indulgent and easy etc. Just for the record all of those judgements make you sound bitchy, self-absorbed and thick

After all people are still being over weight, smoking, drinking alcohol etc and using NHS resources. But they don’t seem to get so much vitriol or meanness

Me, El? Do I really sound bitchy, self absorbed and thick? I have great sympathy for those who have infertility problems and do know some who have been through it all, including my own parents so I grew up with it. I've certainly never said anything about being clever when it comes to becoming pregnant, it makes me cringe when I hear anyone being so smug.

@Lynda07 l was agreeing with you, l wasn’t being sarcastic. It’s others that are smug and unfeeling

Sorry, El, misunderstood. Yes, some people are like that and it's awful but I think most people on here feel that the current pandemic is more of a priority than infertility.

I agreed with “ It's a pretty desperate business and the chances of becoming pregnant through IVF are pretty low but it does happen sometimes which is why people are prepared to go through it all. By all accounts it is a very difficult process to go through”. Once we have used the embryos in the freezer then lm done. We are unexplained infertility and pass tests with flying colours. It doesn’t seem logical spending more thousands on something the doctors don’t know what the problem is or even how to treat it. I’ve had enough feeling ill, pointless procedures etc. Cue plan b of travelling more, cutting back on hours at work etc

You sound very sensible, El.

Friends of ours spent a lot of money on IVF in this country (they may have started off with NHS), then when considered too old and advised not to coninue, they went abroad and had a few more tries. It was so sad for them but it has to be said they did eventually learn to appreciate the good life they had and are much loved by extended family on both sides.

I think the take home message of this thread is that outside of the infertility board on the rest of mumsnet; women suffering infertility are an easy and enjoyable target for the cold, cruel and gloating cunts of MN.

I was extremely lucky and got pregnant through IVF just before all of this Covid business got properly started. There is no NHS provision in my area so I was fully self funded, I was treated at an entirely independent private clinic.

I discovered I have the egg reserve and ovarian activity of someone aged 45 when I was aged just 33. The length of time and the fight it took even to get listened to and tested appropriately at my age had already left my mental health in tatters and unable to continue in my career for the time being.

Six months longer waiting would most likely have been the end of my chances. It is literally that much on a knife edge for some women.

I think the vast majority of people thinking about those needing IVF just assume we’re all 43 and couldn’t be arsed trying earlier because we were too busy jetsetting around the world drinking champers and now we expect the NHS to fix it all... I didn’t ask to be so infertile that IVF was my only tiny chance and nothing I chose in my life caused it. But even a few months longer would literally have meant my chance was gone forever. Imagine knowing the technology was within reach but you missed the boat by six months.

Every day since the clinics closed I’ve thought about the huge community of women in the same situation as me, but who didn’t get pregnant just before covid. Their anguish and devastation is real and it’s where I would be now but for a roll of the dice.

Comparing infertility treatment with other types of much needed treatment is just silly and apples vs pears pointlessness. All of it is valid.

@FlashesOfRage big congratulations on your pregnancy. You hit the nail on the head, on forums etc people assume you are in 40's and just haven't bothered earlier so it's your own fault.

My life was not worth living before I had my ivf miracle, now nearly 4.

Mental health is still a bit battered tbh