So we are staying lockdown until June at the earliest?

[Mummypig2020]

Just seen on daily fail (sorry!) that Boris is going to announce that we will be lockdown until June at least.

Not sure if I can cope that long. 😩

If not has she properly looked into furlough? Essential childcare? She should qualify for one or the other

I thought it had be agreed with the employer. As I understood it you can ask but if they can't then that's that. As for essential key worker, I also though that was a last resort, she's at home so sending them to nursery / school wouldn't be fair.

Every day the fail publishes a different view on this, tomorrow will be something else.

@GrimmsFairytales - if she has - or you could send her/ drop off to her a second screen device - an i-pad or similar, could you offer to online babysit her kids by telling them a story online or playing a live game with them, with chat, to occupy them while she gets on with her work? Or playing with them and getting them to draw you a picture? Not at all ideal but it might just give her a bit of breathing space.

You can be furloughed because of a lack of childcare.

I think the hardest thing for people to get their heads around, is the fact that life is probably never going to go back to "how it was before". Our world has changed. And this coronavirus? It's bad, but it's nothing compared to what is ahead. Many epidemiologists believe it is just the trial run and that the next flu coming is going to be an avian flu and it will spread further faster and be deadlier. So buckle up kids, and learn to cope. We're not in Kansas anymore.

Sorry but that is an absolute load of made up nonsense. Honestly!

It doesn't matter in some quarters, Redolent ... as we see on here time and time again, the urge is to make things sound as awful as possible with no let up at all. We don't even know who's dying with the virus and who's dying of it or how many collateral deaths are being caused, but that doesn't seem to matter either - all that counts is the hyperbole

Unfortunately the point being missed is that if we're going to have repeated spikes, future even worse plagues and all the rest, that makes it even more important to keep the economy on track so there's some hope of dealing with it. We all know that lives matter more than money, but the inconvenient truth is that without an economy there is no meaningful life

It is scare mongering to talk about future plagues. Yes we will have other pandemics such as ebola. Most of these will have very little impact on people in the UK. It is because so many people have no symptoms of covid 19 that this virus has been such a big issue.

I'm sure this has been said before and I know it's not exactly the same at all (ie freedom of movement) BUT @Mummypig2020 both my parents lived through WW2.

Their hardship was worse than any of this and went on for 5 years.

I am sure this is one of the reasons my mum is a wonderful, stoic 93 year old who is coping well with all of this now. her daily motto is to 'count my blessings'.

My dad was bombed out of his house TWICE as a teenager and his mother was already a widow in her 30s, but 3 children to support somehow.
They lost everything in the bombing- their house and all their furniture.
They never knew from one day to the next if they would be killed in their beds every night when the raids started.

I know we are all having to dig deep and find some inner resolve during lockdown BUT we can still go out, food is plentiful with some exceptions, and we have technology now to keep in touch with people.

I do wonder if the younger generation who have never lived through a war or had any really serious stuff to contend with are complaining a bit too much at the moment.

Lockdown is being relaxed by stealth right now. More and more shops are being open. The government never abandoned their policy of 'herd immunity' but gave in to the public pressure to give impression of a lockdown. However, the rules were (intentionally?) vague. There was never a strict lockdown like in other European or Asian countries.

So yes in another 2-3 years there will be another killer disease that the Daily Mail will be full of. It will kill people in the country it originates in. Maybe 2 or 3 people will die in the UK who travelled abroad.
That is what happens periodically. It won't change. When the first one hits in 2-3 years time MN will be full of threads of people predicting the end of the world even though the science does not back that up.

Just like at the beginning of covid 19 there were people on MN predicting law and order will break down and there would be widespread looting.

There are always people like that. But look at the facts and look at previous history.

Probably the next big threat will be increased antibiotic resistance which is already an issue. That is a creeping time bomb.

We be just been informed our holiday at Haven will have to be rearranged up until 31st may.Due on the 1 june.My guess is lockdown will continue.
Anyone who is struggling I wonder what is it that is causing issues?I have suffered all manner of MH issues over the years and now i m in my 50s don't find this hard.
Is it the lack of social support,or the unknown or general money worries.?

PixelatedLunchbox you seem a little naive about how much humanity has lived alongside infectious disease in the past.

We’ve had very dangerous flu pandemics before. We’ve also had cholera outbreaks, diphtheria, measles, typhus, polio, even smallpox not that long ago. These were all very, very nasty diseases, much nastier than Covid.

And how many of them caused the world to ‘never go back to normal’? None. Not a one. People quarantined and then went back to normal. People did social distancing and went back to normal. Look at the 1918 flu pandemic - absolutely devastating, killed about 100 million people, and then was followed by the 1920s with flappers and the jazz age and people dancing the Charleston.

You’re free to believe that this, alone in all infectious diseases we’ve ever dealt with, will end life as we know it forever and we will never ever leave lockdown. But that is your fear talking, nothing else.

The world has changed forever us a load of bollocks. People have short memories. Anyone worried about terror attacks or Brexit ? Nope. Soon as lockdown ends it won’t be “ how lovely is the bird song” but back to crime, Brexit ,government spending and “ what went wrong”.Just like that. As we get into our cars and buy lots of shit for Christmas because we deserve it after the year we’ve had.

Well said @GoldenOmber

It's seriously some MNers wet dream.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Stop reading the Waily Fail!!!!

its an excercise in resilience for many i think, our grandparents and great grandparents developed it in abundance living through the war, with poor supplies of medicines, food etc, modern day life has stress but mostly our basic needs are safe and well met. This will go on for a couple years i suspect on and off so dig deep and adjust... there really isnt much choice. We all have to find new ways to live, play, work and come together whilst staying apart. I know for many its going to be impossibly difficult so those of us with more resilience will just have to reach out more to help.
stay strong !
you CAN do this !!

Sorry, did I take a wrong turn somewhere to end up on Facebook? Because that's this sort of thing used to thrive.

@Redolent

I was struggling to find the right words, but you did it so well, I'm just going to post them again!

@PixelatedLunchbox

On a thread where people are sharing their mental health vulnerabilities and struggles. Jesus could you be any more fucking tone deaf?

@TriangleBingoBongo. HTG they cant give us a date because it DEPENDS on how compliant people are, how well supplied at risk people are with PPE & a LOT of other things. They don't have a crystal ball! I think the Govt have made a lot of mistakes and have been/still are pretty crap, but honestly people expecting them to be able to see into the future really need to have a wee think!

@GrimmsFairytales

Xposted with your last post. Can you help her look into that? I'm not sure 'we can't furlough you' is acceptable. Maybe look up Govt Regs/call her union/etc. I think especially if she's a sole parent, she might have more rights than she thinks. At the very least keep trying to reassure her that plenty of people are struggling with childcare & feeling like they're doing 'enough' when WFH - but her employer has options, accept what she can do or furlough her. You are helping by being there, justbtry to reassure her she is doing her best & that is enough!

I was also much heartened to see that they are discussing whether, when lockdown is lifted, the staged return is for younger people first ie. doing the stages by age range rather than by shops/schools/pubs etc. This does seem wiser on many counts, partly to do with the hugely higher risk of death found in those over 50/over 60 and also because younger people are impacted much more by the lockdown in terms of jobs, childcare, economics and so on....

My mum is 60, works full time, frontline NHS. If she doesn’t work she can’t pay her mortgage.

that's where this..

I agree with the post from @2beautifulbabs .

And also well said @Leflic
I think it's so important that rational people come forward to refute and balance some of this dangerous rubbish. Some people are really susceptible to major anxiety and that kind of post really doesn't help them.

What annoys me is the attitude of extremes. At the beginning, in Feb/March, MN was dominated by normalcy bias, people refusing to countenance any changes to their lives, etc. Now there’s a competition for who can predict the most doom-laden future out there. As always the unglamorous reality is somewhere in the middle.

I would not support this. Next Thursday will be over 7 weeks of lockdown - in line with rest of Europe. Yes, we have taken a different approach to other countries - there’s no standard template.

The economy is already fucked, it’s costing billions a day. People are dying because they’re not getting treated for other health issues.

The high risk and vulnerable will need to make their own decisions on risk as whether it’s lifted in May or August, there won’t be vaccine and probably won’t be treatment.

It’s astonishing how readily we have all surrendered our freedom and rights.

I agree with the thread of antibiotic resistance though, especially with the overuse of anti bac cleaning products.

But, one thing at the time.