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What will be the 'new normal' for schools?

127 replies

Springhere · 28/04/2020 22:33

I know it could be a long while before schools reopen, but it's inevitable that things will be far from normal when they do. What do you think the major changes will be?

www.tes.com/news/coronanvirus-reopened-schools-show-new-normal

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cantory · 29/04/2020 09:49

SO PINK is lying when she says she caught covid 19 from her child?

Aragog · 29/04/2020 09:52

That's my concern. In that original vulnerable group it was around a third of our teaching staff, almost half of our lunch time and catering assistants.

I'm now into my 7th week at home. Originally off as dd had a cough so school sent me home too, then in the initial vulnerable group. Now wfh as can't go into school due to the at risk group. There's many of us in that group that the school will struggle, though guess we could be the ones overseeing the home learning provision. Because I can't see parents being happy with 2 or 3 days maximum at school and nothing more, but if the teaching staff are in school teaching then they can't also be providing online lessons too.

AlphaJura · 29/04/2020 09:57

I don't know but I'd like to see schools making more of hand washing, providing hand sanitiser between lessons and desks being wiped down between lessons. Probably impossible long term, but better social distancing. I was appalled to find out many schools previous to this didn't have adequate hand washing facilities or soap. Also talking to my dcs, I think it's shocking that they are refused to go to the toilet during lessons and don't want to go between lessons as teachers shout at them for being late. I think it's against human rights and doesn't encourage good hygiene. So id like to see them being allowed time to adequately wash their hands as often as they need to.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 29/04/2020 10:01

Am wondering whether it would be feasible for secondary schools to adopt a primary school approach?

In other words, the classes stay where they are, but the teachers rotate? Am not sure if this would reduce the exposure or not?

Maybe a rotating, week on, week off approach may be the way forward?

Breaks reduced, maybe half days?

GoldenOmber · 29/04/2020 10:34

I suppose schools could just about manage in the short term with limited numbers of students in, others doing home learning somehow, no mixing of classes (although I don’t know how that would work for streamed classes at secondary?), work something out for primary and nursery dropoff and pickup.

But even if it is all possible in the short term it’s surely not going to be practical to do that indefinitely. If we’re looking at 12+ months before a vaccine that most people can get then we surely can’t just suspend most education until then. Not to mention how on Earth you’d manage to socially distance at nursery and younger primary, what it would do to children to be ‘learning’ in an environment where they’re told not to touch and not to play together, what would happen to play-based learning at primary and practical subjects at secondary, how are children of any age supposed to manage well without properly socialising with peers for so long?

I suppose they’ll just have to put in measures in short term with a plan to gradually return schools to basically normal over a few months while keeping the virus spread in check enough that schools aren’t high risk. I know we can’t allow hundreds of thousands to die unnecessarily, but we can’t throw the education and social/emotional wellbeing of all the under-18s under a bus either.

Barbie222 · 29/04/2020 10:46

What will happen is that schools will be directed to open 'with appropriate social distancing measures' in place. Zero guidance will be given as to how this should be done and decisions will be left to individual schools.

Absolutely. Then it's all our fault for everything again.

RubyViolet · 29/04/2020 11:15

I still don’t understand how Teachers, TA’s, office staff and lunch staff will be protected whilst doing their job.
Surely safety of staff and children has to be paramount.
This must come first.

GoldenOmber · 29/04/2020 11:22

I suppose we protect them by keeping the spread of the virus at really low levels and therefore risk is also really low. Plus appropriate PPE (not the ‘full PPE’ that gets mentioned, I don’t think people quite realise what that looks like)

Orangeblossom78 · 29/04/2020 11:23

Picture of a primary school with young DC 2m apart at lunch, key workers, doesn't look very pleasant for them I have to say...

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-home-schooling-life-virtually-the-same-for-some-pupils-in-new-divide-k0qwmp5tp

artisanparsnips · 29/04/2020 11:26

The other article which is linked to in the TES piece gives a bit more detail about how they are managing it in Denmark:

www.tes.com/news/what-it-denmarks-reopened-schools

Notably, they need a lot more staff and a child is sent home immediately if they have symptoms.

Peppafrig · 29/04/2020 11:34

@Orangeblossom78 wow that picture is heartbreaking. Plus how on earth would they fit in eating time with cleaning inbetween for our school of 460 even if half went in that's still 230 kids . They would need to start lunch at 9am to sit like that in our canteen .

DaisylovesDonald · 29/04/2020 11:35

@Orangeblossom78 that is the one thing that would make me decide to keep mine off for longer, if they had to go back like that I can’t help but feel it would be worse for them emotionally than being off.
I work part time in a school and was in yesterday for my rota’d day looking after key workers children. They can’t stay away from each other. It starts with the best of intentions. They just can’t do it. Send them back like that and the teachers will spend their whole day just telling kids off and trying to keep them apart. It would be miserable for everybody.
I am lucky in that I am low risk and am happy to return to work and send my kids back as soon as the schools reopen, but I don’t think I could send them into that, it would be awful.

GreenTulips · 29/04/2020 11:40

Plus appropriate PPE (not the ‘full PPE’ that gets mentioned, I don’t think people quite realise what that looks like)

I’m thinking Teletubbies type costumes, in different colors so they know who’s who. Or we could go down the Spiderman route for skinnier wenches. Everyday could be a different theme. Schools do this anyway so just needs upscalling.

cantory · 29/04/2020 11:41

@daisylovesdonald I agree that it would be emotionally harder for my kids in school social distancing than being at home.

Orangeblossom78 · 29/04/2020 11:46

That picture if from one in Scotland of key workers- happening right now.

It also said in the article-

Even when children return to the classroom, only five will be able to fit safely in each one with social distancing, one head teacher said this week.

After suggestions that schools could reopen later in the summer term, the head teacher from the East Midlands worked out she could fit 18 children and three members of staff in the dining room at one time, in a “huge logistical jigsaw”. Others have said it is impossible to expect young children to observe social distancing, even if staggered lessons are held.

Orangeblossom78 · 29/04/2020 11:48

How could they even do any group work or share things as partners, they would have to shout to each other.

DaisylovesDonald · 29/04/2020 11:50

I really feel that the most they can do is reduce the number of kids in at any one time for a while, half the class per day or something, I would be heartbroken to send my kids back but tell them they can’t go anywhere near their friends. I’m certainly glad I don’t have to make those decisions.

cantory · 29/04/2020 11:50

Even if schools go back soon I am keeping my kids off to see how it works in practice, and for at least 3 weeks to see if deaths rise again.

Peppafrig · 29/04/2020 11:54

I see Nicola Sturgoen has said Scotland could have kids one week in one week off. I guess the weekends would be used for a deep clean. Even at that I don't think 16 kids can sit in the classroom 2 meters apart no space.

Orangeblossom78 · 29/04/2020 12:07

Actually in the article that is secondary - High School. Didn't realise as they looked quite young. Article about all schools though

Orangeblossom78 · 29/04/2020 12:08

photo I mean- the pic is of secondary age students

Peppafrig · 29/04/2020 12:22

Those are definitely primary aged children . The wee girl at the front looks about 6. I imagine the secondary school is the hub . Like it is in my area . She has a little teddy on the table .

Sunshineonarainy1day · 29/04/2020 12:23

To be fair government guidelines are to socially distance were possible

It’s now a law

And the rule isn’t set in stone for work places - it’s reducing social contact

Sunshineonarainy1day · 29/04/2020 12:24

It’s not a law

Orangeblossom78 · 29/04/2020 12:33

Ah I see Peppa, that makes sense.

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