My work won't pay or furlough me.

[Mammatomyboy16]

So I have a 13 month old son. My dad looks after him when I go to work. Since we went on lockdown my dad hasn't been able to look after him as he's classed as vulnerable. Over 70 and has diabetes. I'm a key worker so haven't been able to go to work. My partner is also a key worker so can't stay off and look after our son.

I've taken some weeks timebanking, holidays and 2 weeks we had to self isolate as my son had a high temperature but he was fine.

Anyway, my work won't furlough me. They've said if I don't come back to work next week I won't be getting paid. I've told them the only way I can come back to work is if my dad comes back and looks after him, which is risking his life and my sons life. I am furious with my work. They have furloughed other people which I understand as they live with someone who's vulnerable. But because I don't live with my dad I won't be furloughed.

I can't afford to not be paid. I can't work around my partners hours as he gets in so late from work everyday.

I don't know what to do!

I'm annoyed at the company. You're all annoyed at me because you all pay/paid for childcare and I don't

Wrong again I'm afraid, I don't have kids so no need for childcare. I joined MN to support other self employed people starting businesses and stuck around.

I'm (mildly) annoyed at your attitude and your rudeness to posters who have tried to help you only with "you are obviously jealous" type responses from you.

If this many people think you have a terrible attitude on a thread then maybe take a step back and have a think about whether they may have a point, rather than assuming 90% of people are coming to the same conclusion for no reason.

And ask your other half to step up and work with you on a solution for this if he isn't doing so already - it is a parenting issue not a mum issue.

It’s up to your employer whether they will furlough you and I assume that as they want you in work they won’t.

The supermarkets near us are advertising for people to work nights doing the picking of orders for home delivery, would that be an option for you. Would your employer let you work hours when your DH can look after your son?

I think your best bet at the moment OP would be to get your DH to take annual leave one day a week for a couple of months (using about 8 days then see how things are after that) and you can work a shift the day off he has and one shift at the weekend. It may be a drop in hours but if you put it to your employer that you can work two 8-10 hour shifts a week, I'm sure they can try and accommodate you.

If your DH's won't allow him to take a days annual leave each week, could you suggest to your employer that you do two evening shifts (say 6pm-10pm) then shift at the weekend? Would be able the same hours as doing the two shifts as detailed above

How is it unfair if they’re entitled and you’re not? If they genuinely cannot work because they’re shielding due to serious medical issues or there is no paid childcare, then you’re in a completely different scenario!
If a colleague was using grandparent childcare and the grandparent couldn’t due to risks and the colleague was furloughed, then that is unfair.

You are comparing apples and oranges and throwing a tantrum and stamping your foot.

DH's employer about not able

So, you're annoyed that this mega company haven't broken the furlough regulations to meet your needs.

And this makes you reasonable, how?

I'm annoyed at the company. You're all annoyed at me because you all pay/paid for childcare and I don't

No OP, people are annoyed because you are so sure you are right and there is no other point of view. The facts are though that you are being ridiculous for being annoyed at your employer for expecting you to work.

I don't pay for childcare and never have so you are way off the mark there.

I'm annoyed at the company. You're all annoyed at me because you all pay/paid for childcare and I don't

No OP. You certainly are hard of thinking, aren't you? No wonder after 18 pages you still cannot fathom why you are in the wrong. Because you seem to like caps so much here you go: PEOPLE ARE ANNOYED AT YOU BECAUSE YOU EXPECT THE GOVERNMENT TO PAY FOR YOUR CHOICE TO NOT USE CHILDCARE. YOU ARE ALSO VERY RUDE AND ENTITLED.

Understand yet?

If you know you can’t be furloughed why are you annoyed at the company for not furloughing you?!

Today: Heard about a friend I've lost touch with who has survived ICU. Had DH tell me about a friend who is suicidal because hes about to lose the business he has spent his life building and how 'an accident' is the only way to prevent his family losing their home, having to move out of the area and lose all their friends in the process.

Thats just today.

Thats unfair.

Instead the OP wants to complain that its unfair that she can't get childcare and working arrangement she wants so therefore she thinks everyone else should foot the bill for it and calls anyone else who disagrees 'jealous' when there is work available and alternative hours available if she can't find alternative childcare arranges. Rather than having even a shred of self awareness of how many people are juggling childcare and working atm or having lost their income are facing complete financial ruin.

I sincerely hope this thread is a wind up, purely because if it isn't there is someone who has some pretty spectacular blinkers on.

Exactly RTB.

Today: my cousin called me distraught. The previously successful business she and her DH have built over the last 15 years will run out of cash in 4 weeks.

They've exhausted every possible line of finance. They've offered to re-mortgage their home but given their earnings and other collateral is tied to the business the banks have refused.

They employ 40 people all of whom are currently (legitimately) furloughed but the fixed costs of the business are now close to wiping out their cash reserves.

She sees no way out other than becoming bankrupt and 40 people (many of whom have worked with them from the start of the business and are friends as much as employees) losing their jobs.

I'm annoyed at the company. You're all annoyed at me because you all pay/paid for childcare and I don't

No, I’m annoyed because you have constantly ignored the advice that the company is not allowed to furlough you BY LAW unless there are other specific conditions which, in your case, there appear not to be.

So I could understand if you were annoyed at the government. I’m annoyed at the government (whilst being grateful that furlough will save the company I work for I’m annoyed at some of the conditions like there being a minimum of 3 weeks so we can’t rotate according to the types of limited work that come in and have to make the decision whether to unfurlough an engineer to work for one day on essential hospital work but then there might be no more work for another 2 weeks when there is 1 more day. ) I’m also annoyed they changed the way furlough would be calculated the Friday night before claims went in.

And I guess I could be annoyed that I’m not furloughed because I’m the one who has to run payroll & do all these calculations whereas the rest of the office staff are paid 80% to do nothing. But I’m not. These are unprecedented times.

Ds has spent the entire of this week making bespoke backing tracks for Be More Chill including working out by ear the orchestrations of the song added for Broadway to which there is no music published.

If I Hear Michael in the Bathroom one more time I might just flip! And that blooming theramin.

Oh dear, epic wrong thread fail.

To be fair, comefromaway, your post made as much sense as the op’s, and rather highlighted it

I am really bemused. You want work to pay you to not go to work because you want to be at home with your child?

You don’t have to put your child in childcare full time. You can just do what lots of other parents do and put them in for the time you are working. Or you can not work and stay at home and not get paid. What would you have done a year ago if your dad was ill or wanted to go on an extended holiday? Expected to stay at home and be paid?

You are being entirely illogical. But you won’t listen

I get it. There’s a green monster in all of us that looks at fb and sees everyone gardening and drinking gin, and tucking their government provided paycheque into the bank. The wee green monster throws a giant hissy about the fact THEY have to go to work (or work from home) when it’s all so much harder now because of health risks, and changes to childcare that mean the world is more expensive.
But rational people give the green monster a good whack with a shovel and chain him up somewhere out of sight. Because rational people know how to adult and take responsibility for their own lives and children.
75% of our workforce is gone. 5000 people in our tiny community are now off work. Has it crossed my mind that they are gardening and free for 80% of their salary? Of course it fucking has. I’m a human being.
But whinging about unfairness out loud is spectacularly misguided. It makes you look selfish, ignorant, and completely out of touch with, you know, the globe.
I’m keeping my gob shut about the green monster, op. You want to let everyone in on your dark side, feel free. It must be liberating to be untouched by the opinion of others, and to feel so utterly unashamed. Crack on.

But rational people give the green monster a good whack with a shovel and chain him up somewhere out of sight.

It's so true. And I feel for the OP in that regard. It is rough. But in this case the jealousy is of people with vulnerable people in their home. And I couldn't bring myself to wish their life on me.

The state of childcare provision is woeful and we should have better options and all that. But right now, if you can work, and you're needed... do

No one is annoyed at you for getting free childcare they are annoyed at your entitled and frankly disgusting attitude! I'm muting this thread because as a previous poster said this is a wind up!

This post isn't winding me up, I'm laughing at it because it is so ridiculous. And even after stropping off in a hissy fit, the OP came back to dig herself an even bigger hole. I need the light entertainment at the mo!

I'm annoyed at the company. You're all annoyed at me because you all pay/paid for childcare and I don't
And now you are annoyed because you don’t get paid 80% of your salary because you don’t like alternative options (newsflash: many of us would like to be paid 80% of our salary to spend some time with the kids rather than the mad juggling we are currently doing. Still not happening)

tbf it it looks, imo, that the OP just doesn't want to work but get 80% pay. Ridiculous really and the lack of self awareness is mind boggling to me.

Hello can anyone help me? My local authority employer refused to furlough or pay me during lockdown. I'm a casual teacher paid on PAYE but they said as I'm a casual worker im not eligible for furlough and they can't afford to pay me, although they are still getting public funding for my role. Although the Government advice is for them to furlough or pay me, it's not the law so I'm assuming they don't have to? Has this happened to anyone else? I'm not in a union but wondering what to do next. It just seems so wrong and I have no income. Also they have never paid me statutory holiday pay in the 4 and a half years I have worked for them. Feeling so let down when I thought I was covered. Thanks so much to anyone who might be able to help here with any advice. I'd be so grateful

Bright side girl if you are in PAYE is it with an agency, or directly through the school or the LA? Who is your employer?

Hi I'm directly employed by my local county council. No agency. I work for the SEN department. Thanks so much!