The “I just had a sit down in the park with crisps” brigade

[Candodad]

You are the problem. The rules are simple. Go out and exercise and then go home. Just that, nothing more than that.

To be fair then problem is actually bigger than that and has been brewing for years as we increasingly become a country with rules but almost everyone has an excuse for why that rule shouldn’t apply to them/their child/family.

Call the police. Someone is having a pleasant time.

This seems to sum up a strand of mentality that has come to the fore recently. Is it rooted in the same place in the human psyche as some of more insane forms of religion? Evil is upon us! If we do penance and suffer then the gods may save us. Maybe self-flagelation will help? And we all have to suffer. If the gods see disrespectful people having a bag of crisps in the sun wrath and vengeance will overcome them and they will send down more plagues.

I wonder if human sacrifices might appease them?

PrimalLass

Droplets spread how exactly?

If we don't pick them up.on our hands, why the massive campaign for us to keep washing our hands? Completely pointless unless we actually can pick up the virus on our hands and then infect ourselves.

So, maybe you could explain how we become infected via droplets and why we need to keep washing our hands? Is it just a way the government came up with to keep us busy, or maybe increase soap sales?

And that people can't last hour or two without snacking

Who says they can't? Choosing to eat a packet of crisps (or an apple or whatever) is not the same as not being able to last without one, is it?

You are allowed to exercise when you want to. You are allowed to eat when you want to (and what you want to). Plenty of healthy, non-obese people eat snacks, or prefer to eat little and often.

It's worrying how quick people are to turn on their neighbours, friends and family. It really demonstrates how easily a democracy could slide into an Orwellian nightmare.

This is seriously bothering me. I don't know what we'll be as a society when this all ends. It's not even people following rules to the letter to dob their friends and neighbours in. They're actually making up their own rules in their enthusiasm to do so.

As a society, we're really messed up now.

It's not giving the elderly a slim chance of recovery though, it would be subjecting them to a thoroughly unpleasant invasive procedure which is unlikely to help them,

Since when has giving someone oxygen been an invasive procedure?

I am not talking about intubation. I made that clear.

I am talking about supportive treatment - oxygen, antibiotics, iv fluids. Why are they being condemned to death, left without even palliative care? That is an absolute scandal and I can't believe anyone is advocating that.

HavartiToSeeYou explained it very well. There is a very slim/theoretical possibility of transmission from these types of surfaces, which you remove completely by proper hand hygiene.

Doctors don't to that to patients under any circumstances, not just these.

What, doctors routinely leave patients to die, with no medical care and no.palliation? Do they? Who are these doctors then?

Going for a leisurely walk IS exercising

It isn't really. You need to get you heart rate up a bit and be slightly out of breath for it to be doing you any good. A gentle amble is only worthwhile insofar as it gets you out in the sunshine to get some vitamin D.

On a purely infection control perspective it would be far less risk to all involved in the eating of crisps to wait until they return home to eat their after WASHING THEIR HANDS.

Honestly some people think “exercise” is the preserve only of the super fit, and that we should all be doing high level athletics or it doesn’t count.

Plenty of people don’t have the physical capacity to do more than gentle walking (or walking with breaks) and these people probably have a greater need and will be more negatively effected by lack of access to the outdoors.

There is a very slim/theoretical possibility of transmission from these types of surfaces, which you remove completely by proper hand hygiene.

With hand hygiene. being the operative word there. Wonder how many people are doing that? You can't wash your hands in the middle of the park so I wonder how many people are taking and using hand gel?

On a purely infection control perspective it would be far less risk to all involved in the eating of crisps to wait until they return home to eat their after WASHING THEIR HANDS

Exactly.

I don't know anyone who runs who stops for a bag of crisps by the way. I suppose ultra runners might eat solid food while eg on a 40 mile run, but I need to leave an hour between eating and running, otherwise I get a stitch. And I've never done more than a half marathon so I've never tried gels.

I might eat when I am on my bike but it's easy enough to eat eg a cereal bar while you ride.

I go for long hikes. Thankfully there aren't busybodies around to see my break out my folding Karrimat foam, put it on a rock, then sit on it to eat lunch or dinner mid-ramble with million pound views, worth all those hills. It's a beautiful day for such a walk, I'm even getting a tan.

When I had my filled roll on my walk the other day - not crisps as I'm not a great crisp fan - I admit it as well as wanting to exercise, I wanted to have a little bit of variety and enjoyment. I sanitised my hands before I ate my roll and afterwards and was only sat down for around 10 minutes ( ddog was keen to get going) and I sanitised my hands afterwards. It was so enjoyable, I'm not going to regret or feel guilty about it.

puffinandkoala that simply isn’t true. People have a huge range of medical conditions which means their capacities and requirements also differ hugely.

I have a disability called Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, I’m not allowed to do any aerobic exercise, but I have to keep moving for a period at least once a day or the joints and tendons in my hip/pelvic area completely freeze up and become extremely painful. If I went a long time without gentle exercise then it would likely cause long term damage and disability.

Evil is upon us! If we do penance and suffer then the gods may save us. Maybe self-flagelation will help?

I think this is absolutely the case.

And people need to get over themselves, it’s not helping anyone.

In many cases, care home residents have expressed their DNR preference in advance.

DNR doesn't mean no active treatment though does it? I'm 50. I have an advanced directive. I don't want to be resuscitated because I know how futile it is in the majority of cases. I do, however, want active treatment up until the point that I go.into cardiac arrest. The fact that I don't want to be resuscitated does not mean "leave me at home dying when giving me oxygen and antibiotics could save my life".

And yes, people are being left to die at home - look at the care home death rates this week.

PrimalLass. Droplets spread how exactly? If we don't pick them up.on our hands, why the massive campaign for us to keep washing our hands? Completely pointless unless we actually can pick up the virus on our hands and then infect ourselves. So, maybe you could explain how we become infected via droplets and why we need to keep washing our hands? Is it just a way the government came up with to keep us busy, or maybe increase soap sales?

No I can't explain because I'm not a scientist or google. But I'm sure if you look then you will be able to find the details.

Call the police. Someone is having a pleasant time.

See also the people who whinge that lockdown isn't a holiday. No, it isn't, but that doesn't mean that we have to be miserable all the time and prevent ourselves and others from taking part in perfectly harmless activities.

Mind you, it was quite funny when someone posted that whinge on Easter Day, and had to be reminded that, actually, it was a holiday.

Good for you. Many people though do use their hands to help them sit down or stand up, particularly the elderly or those with mobility problems. Not everyone has hand sanitizer or uses it and lots of people on here saying they will be eating food whilst out

So it is the sitting down that's the problem? So people who can't exercise without sitting down, or walk up stairs without holding the rails should not exercise? That's a bit elitist, isn't it? Perhaps the real message is that people should carry hand gel/sanitiser, but I doubt that would suit the frothy types.

Insane to thin you need to touch the bench to get up "people usually use their hands to get up...." No, they usually use their leg muscles!

On a purely infection control perspective it would be far less risk to all involved in the eating of crisps to wait until they return home to eat their after WASHING THEIR HANDS

Why? If you haven't touched anything whilst you were out other than the snack you've brought from your house that has been wiped or has been around for more than 72 hours so all viruses are dead - why do you need to wash your hands before eating the snack?

When I had my filled roll on my walk the other day

G'wan wotchya have? Let me live vicariously through you.

But HearHooves, your hypothetical involves the existence of people who are simultaneously in the vulnerable category (elderly or disabled people who are unable to even stand up without holding onto something) but who also have a blithe disregard for basic safety and hygiene and happily march around public places touching things then sticking their dirty fingers in their mouths.

This makes no sense. If someone is that vulnerable, they need to take responsibility and carry hand sanitiser, and be vigilant about not touching surfaces with their bare hands.

Deciding to snack on a park bench is fine if you take basic precautions.

Deciding to snack on a park bench then putting your hands all over the bench then in your mouth and not bothering with sanitiser when you know you are vulnerable makes you a Darwin Award candidate.