Government reportedly considering schools going back in 3 weeks

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On BBC News 24 now, article in tomorrow's Sunday Times says that ministers are considering schools going back in three weeks time. Plus allowing some shops and social gatherings, but not pubs and clubs.

@Hunnybears Are you missing that I said I lived in an area in the 80s that had much higher unemployment than 10%?
If you have only live through good times a recessions is doubly scary. But they do happen roughly about every 10 years. You will live through several during your working life. They are part of a capitalist society.

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You are seriously suggesting opening cinemas before schools?

My kids can cope without a trip to the cinema. They need an education.

I intend to send mine back as soon as they reopen. The extending of the furlough scheme/setting up online schooling doesn't imply to me it will be all term for all students and it's likely many will be part time or unable to attend at all. And with the furloughing, even if schools are back, it's unlikely the tourism and hospitality sectors will be up and running again.

My eldest lip reads though so going back in if teachers are in masks would be of limited use. I'd still send her part time though and continue to help her at home.

So everyone in charge and working on this has instantly said that the Times story is bollocks.

Yet the Times has it on their front page, massive headline.

So the Times has an agenda in publishing this, and it’s not reporting the truth.

People should be very wary.

I wonder if they will make this mandatory with fines issued for non-attendance.

People should invest more time in reading the inner pages (not their headline interestingly) that reveals what shambolic government and leadership went on in the lead up. Now That makes for quite a read!

We all need to watch what we say! The Times is trawling MN threads and quoting us as evidence of public opinion!

@HoffiCoffi13 The amount of predicted unemployed is 3 million, the same as in the 80's.
I am not saying it will not be shit, but it is not the break down in the country that some are seeing it as it is.
What will happen is that any weak businesses are closing. Already we have seen businesses closing that were mentioned on any thread on MN of what business do you think will close down next? Businesses like Debenhams were already struggling.
Many small businesses will close as they can't keep paying fixed costs with little or no income.
Big businesses doing well like Sports Direct will carry on.
Once we come out of lock down, big businesses doing well will pick up some of the slack from businesses that have folded. I can see supermarkets for example expanding their clothing ranges to replace clothing choices previously sold by collapsed businesses.
If the government encourages them, new small businesses will start up. Some of these will grow and become the big businesses of the future.
Things will return to a new normal until the next big recession.

what shambolic government and leadership went on in the lead up.

Is ‘schools will open in 3 weeks’......and then schools failing to open in 3 weeks supposed to demonstrate shit leadership or shit journalism?

The Times is trawling MN threads and quoting us as evidence of public opinion!

I suspect that the Times is also posting on MN threads and trying to influence public opinion. (Then quoting its own posts)?

@SimplySteveRedux They can make it as mandatory as they like. I took my kids out of school before lock down. I lied and told the school they had a temperature. I will lie again.

Where has it been said that teachers will be asked to wear masks? Why would it just be teachers given masks? I work in a hospital and only allowed to wear a mask when working with someone who has something contagious or there is risk of them coughing on me etc. I'm not given a mask when crammed in the office in the afternoon with 30 colleagues while we're writing notes.

Why would just teachers be given masks as a precaution and not staff from every other profession? I get to wear a mask when working with a suspected sick and contagious person only. Teachers won't be working with suspected sick people. Why would they be given masks?

The recommended classroom size for a primary classroom for 30 children, is 50sqm

So say 5mx10m. Though I know my classroom was smaller than that.

Teacher at the front, so no-one can occupy the first 2m of the 10. So five kids front to back, and three across. Social distancing (assuming that no-one moves from their desk) can only accommodate half a class, assuming that the classroom is recommended size. And I'm fairly confident that many are not.

@AuntyClockWise Because kids have behaviour that spreads viruses. And no teacher or TA took a job thinking they might be at risk by being around ill people. Teaching is stressful, but is usually seen as a physically very safe job.

Well, you might think that noble , I couldn't possibly agree..

It is fairly evident they started the polling thread, as I suspected at the time...

What this categorically proves is that this country suffers from a deficit of journalistic integrity and intelligence. No wonder hardly anybody is buying these newspapers any more - they don’t print news, they just make up bollocks and are either too thick to summarise actual scientifc data accurately, or deliberately misinterpret it.

@Piggywaspushed Yes I thought that about the polling thread.
In spite of the many threads trying to encourage us to send our kids back in 3 weeks time, a lot of parents are saying no. Of course some will.
But if they reopen it will be the same as before lock down. Lots of kids kept off, lots of school staff staying off. So no effective learning will take place anyway.

You don’t seem to have very much in the way of morals, @alloutoffucks. Lying about your kids being ill? Encouraging teachers to lie about their health to be signed off? Great behaviour.

@Walkaround They don't earn enough money to employ proper journalists most of the time. I used to buy newspapers, I stopped as the journalistic standard declined. There are still decent publications abroad and the odd decent article in newspapers here. But good journalism requires money and people here won't pay for that.

Michal Gove just told Andrew Marr schools won't go back next month. Personally, I would rather a child miss three weeks of school than be exposed to a virus for which there is no cure, no vaccine and no treatment except oxygen. Plus I can't see teachers being provided with PPE.

It is fairly evident they started the polling thread, as I suspected at the time...

I agree. I don’t think it went the way they wanted it to.

The "information" that is being reported is in this picture.

It is a suggestion by senior ministers.

But the main point is that the "newspapers" can't even get their own bullshit correct.

It says schools on the 25th not 11th.

Yes @alloutoffucks I watched what the WHO said at least 3 times after the BBC reported on it to check that I wasnt going mad.

They are very clearly warning against a herd immunity strategy and relying on antibody testing - which is right we cannot rely on these things we should be contact tracing quarantining and testing - which is what we are useless at

I genuinely dont believe anyone who has read up on this believes schools will go back on the 11th or that it is a good idea. For me June should be the time that is looked at

There was also a thread asking how exactly schools going back was ‘key to getting people back to work’ when lots of people could go back to work without schools open and lots who couldn’t even if schools did (grandparent childcare) that was heavily derailed by a mad poster claiming that a woman’s place was in the home. I found that quite suspicious too.

@MigginsMs I am the most straight laced person you can imagine and always follow the rules normally.
But if the government won't protect our health by making decisions that will protect us, then of course I will lie. You think I and others should do things that could kill us just so we don't have to lie?
And yes I think vulnerable teachers should lie so they don't have to go back to work soon if that is what they are told to do. Not all teachers, but vulnerable teachers yes. I don't think that anyone who has been told they are vulnerable should risk their life to teach my kids.