How long can we carry on like this for?

[Pseudosudocrem]

Anyone else starting to wonder just how long we can carry on like this before everything irrevocably falls apart?

How will we ever recover as a country?

@Eyewhisker do you care about everything else impacting very poor countries? Do you know about the locust plague at the moment?

Picking crops is already a major problem.

Crops will be an issue forever now cos of brexit not Covid

lisclick that is one of the most bonkers things I have read on this thread. We are having a debate which is important. Murky groups 🤔

@alloutoffucks so you are basically saying its fine for those in food production to go out because you wont starve

and you simply dont know that - people will start to have no money

Whatever the reason for it, it undermines the argument that we don't have a problem with food production.

A quarter of UK jobs are projected to be lost. The government can't afford to pay that many people benefit money/subsidise farmers for very long without bankrupting themselves or causing huge inflation. If food gets more expensive and a large amount of people don't have income, then what will happen?

Food is still being grown and produced. There is no shortage.

There will be if the economy goes totally tits up.

@lisclick honestly your post sounds more like a "murky group" than any others I have read on here! Dominic Raab?

Why do people think we wouldn’t starve if the GDP shrinks by 35% ? Do you have any idea the magnitude of that? Clearly not.

What makes us more special than other countries in poverty where people do starve to death? The same thing that made us think we were immune from the virus when we saw it decimating Italy?

There are plenty of murky pressure groups

@Quartz2208 I have family who are contractors i.e. labourers. Their life has not actually changed much at all. They are fine with continuing to work.

You are scaremongering big time. No one is going to starve. After the second world war the country was nearly bankrupt, we did not starve.

They are fine with continuing to work.

Exactly @alloutoffucks So are most of the people saying lockdown should be lifted.

This talk about staying in to save the NHS is putting the card in front of the horse.

We need a functioning economy to have an NHS.

'Low' case fatality rates look pretty big when hundreds of thousands of people are infected, and those case fatality rates are already based on a situation where mitigation measures enable some healthcare to remain in place.

If we let this run rampant then what will happen to all the Covid cases who are very sick? Will they be left untreated? If they are treated they will overwhelm the nhs and there will not be sufficient healthcare for them or for any working age adults or children with any non Covid medical needs.

Why do people keep banging on about the second world war? What is predicted is worse than the situation we were in after that.

I think if you access the Imperial College report which is directing government policy it will give a ground based rationale for current government policy which is directing the public response to this. I'm a scientist and I honestly believe, having scrutinised the data from this and other sources that we aren't going to be out of the woods really for another 24 months. How this is interpreted by the government in terms of preventing an economic crisis subject to debate.
Fundamentally, health policy over several years has emphasised empowerment of the public to self care and manage their own health issues. This has been an attempt to abdicate the responsibility and thus costs devoted to funding health care. Why does this matter? It matters because this problem is a government problem. Citizenship demands that we are protected by the state. This is aconstitutional right. NHS workers, primarily, should have this protection but moving foErwards we all need it. Otherwise there will be no end point.

You are scaremongering big time. No one is going to starve. After the second world war the country was nearly bankrupt, we did not starve.

People will starve if this goes on.

lisclick if we can’t raise questions about government action, we’re living in a world where we might as well be dead.

No one is going to starve. After the second world war the country was nearly bankrupt, we did not starve.

This is projected to be worse than WW2, the worst depression in 300 years.

@BamboozledandBefuddled They can work safely. They are not in a small office with others or serving the public. They are safe.

@bejiing that is hyperbole.

No idea OP. My DD are doing essential work. We are all fed up scavenging for food and eating revolting stuff we would never normally eat. 3 of us are tax payers, and the Government is throwing around money like water - where does that come from?My job will not bounce back and I don't qualify for the "handouts". Many are in the same boat. A lot of our savings have gone on take-outs when we literally had no other option. Not something we ever did before this. All our lives are changing and I cannot see a way out.

I love how people concerned about the economy are told of for scaremongering, but the numerous hysterical threads on here about the virus are not scaremongering.

Seems that people just like to accuse others who don't agree with them about what the biggest danger is here of scaremongering. Not helpful in either direction really.