So we are predicted to have the highest death toll in Europe, due to systemic errors made by this government. Do you trust the government to get us out of lock down safely?

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I don't. They've f**d up too much. NHS managers are begging for PPE, NHS workers are dying.

This government have really really let us down.

We are predicted to have 40,000 deaths by the end of this.

The only silver lining is is that Labour might get its act together now Keir Starmer is in charge. Things can't get any worse.

And if any tory bots start saying 'at least it's not Corbyn'.. Well save your breath. No one could have made a bigger mess than Boris and Co.

The fact is this government chose not to spend it on protecting nhs staff because that does not line there pockets
doesnt it all look a bit different now though, now that the PM owes his life to the nurses and we all saw him say so, or will he still wriggle and squirm out?

@crazydiamond222 If the government is right and only 4% of the UK has contracted this virus, then that amount of people dying looks about right. Of course we should be trying to stop people getting it at all, but that has never been the plan.

It was an article in the Times Krakow, I'll try to look for it. I posted it outside the pay wall so it had to be deleted.
It was mind blowing.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlghwww.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlghwww.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh

Sorry the links don't work.
But if you Google it it should come up.

I am raging, incandescent tbh at this government. It is health and social care staff, and frontline workers together with the generally compliant public doing lock down, that is enabling GB to do anything other than sink into a death pit. While the government do fuck all - spout rhetoric and grandiose statements of promises about tomorrow.., they've doled out (our) money to try and save the economy. But saving lives? No. They have let the UK slide into an absolute mess and I will have to listen to their self serving congratulations for ever after as they spin the whole thing to their favour.

Thank you so much! very much appreciated ssd

PM owes his life to the nurses and we all saw him say so, or will he still wriggle and squirm out?

He'll just lie. Lying works for Boris and this government, he has lied and lied and lied with absolutely no negative consequences for him. Lying gets him what he wants, I don't believe he'll ever stop, why would he when lying has been so successful for him.

The Times article was discussed on Andrew Marr earlier, it was sort of put like "hindsight is a great thing", like the virus just kinda sneaked up on us with no prior warning...

Boris Johnson wouldn’t acknowledge the truth. Wouldn’t know it, if it stood in front of him with a big neon sign on its head I am The Truth. He has lied (or conveniently forgotten all truths) to get where he is. Despite his near brush with death, he will spin his way out of any accountability and come up smelling of roses.

And hell use that older gentleman, Tom Moore, as a symbol of us all pulling together, tralala, instead of being thoroughly ashamed an old man of 99 is having to fundraise for the NHS as tory cuts have brought it to its knees.

He’s raising money for NHS charities.

What's the difference? Why does the NHS need charities, surely it should be decently funded without the need for charity?

The NHS shouldn’t need charity.

I've just read about it, answered my own question.

The NHS shouldn’t need charity

Cancer research shouldn’t need charity, yet here we are.

Brilliant what he's done. Just such a pity the government will use him for their own advantage.

Cancer Research is a charity. The NHS isn’t.

Jenny Harris failed to read the room today. The world looks on in awe at our brilliance apparently. And tests are for lesser mortals in those silly poor counties.

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-jenny-harries-criticised-for-patronising-remark-about-exemplar-preparedness-11975652

Cancer research as I used it is a generic term. It shouldn’t need charitable funding.

Fine. But just because things are shit for ‘cancer research’ (which as a generic term, should form part of the NHS), doesn’t mean 99 year olds should be marching up and down to raise funds for our ‘National’ health service.

I mentioned this a while back on another thread.... Plasma Therapy, despite having one of the worlds leading experts right her in the UK, we've sat back and done SFA.
Even America has treated 1000s of patients.

Govt has finally decided to look at getting some blood together, with trials happening in the next few weeks..

Is there another time zone for the UK ?

Some light relief

newsthump.com/2020/04/17/boris-johnson-pledges-to-recruit-24-captain-toms-a-week-to-make-up-nhs-funding-shortfall/

@HoffiCoffi13, he’s not! The money he’s raised will go to the “nice to have” stuff, not core services.

What, like PPE? What is ‘nice to have’ in the NHS?