Are you going to send your kids back in when they reopen?

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Wondering if people will send them back.
As they think only 4-10% of population might have had it. And this peak was only 4w of school.
Im not shielding but isolating as much as possible because im
asthmatic.

I hope they say attendance isnt mandatory so people who need to/want to or are still WFH can keep them home if needed.

@bool Yes I know the government wants us all to get infected and accept the many thousands who have still to die.
It will be easy to see if the approaches taken by near neighbours like Ireland save many more lives that we have sacrificed. Hint - it will.

I feel very sorry of teachers and other staff. The government's approach to the virus so far has been a catalogue of errors at best. I don't envy the choice some will have to make.

@janeskettle But to do that takes political courage. Boris does not have this. He is clearly a coward. So we will let thousands die instead.

@alloutoffucks I think you will find that even in the UK where already many are already below the poverty line, having a big depression will cause many deaths. Whichever way you cut it it will be awful and the children will suffer the most.

I think we need to wait before commenting on countries like Ireland who will be much more likely to have an enormous winter spike.

But to do that takes political courage

Sadly, yes.

I agree that the price in other people's bodies is one some are willing to pay, rather than wait for (and fund!) a strong testing, contact tracing and quarantine regime to stamp out any embers.

Still, doesn't change the fact that those are the things that should happen before people send their kids back to school.

@janeskettle are you talking about a South Korea approach. There will be a majority in the west who won’t accept the intrusion and infringement that brings.

Of course children need an education but if this can't be provided in a school building there are other opportunities.
if children are on roll, the gov should be providing the education remotely.
If they aren't, well it's down to the parents.
Just because a school and building are the default, doesn't mean it's the only option.
At the end of the day the education law states that it's the responsibility of the parents to provide an education for their child, be that school or otherwise.
I want my dd to be able to go back to school, she's left most of her stuff there, for a start. But no way will she be going back until I think it's the right time. If schools open early for childcare, that's fine because it serves as education and child minding.

There will be a majority in the west who won’t accept the intrusion and infringement that brings

You know South Korea is democratic, right? Or you could look to NZ, who will be shortly moving to mass testing, tracing and targeted lock downs. NZ is hardly a model of authoritarianism.

If people are so foolish as to refuse an option which best balances the health of individuals, and the ability of society to reopen, well, that's on their consciences.

NZ shut their borders when it was still in containment phase. They have only had 9 deaths. They are completely in a different phase to the UK and rest of Europe. Yes of course I know S Korea is a democracy but have you seen the measures they are now taking to keep people’s data and get them to check in every day. I am just saying that approach would not work in countries such as the UK. The majority would reject it.

So people would send their kids to school, even though it wouldn't be safe, so they can both work. Aw, poor kids and what a society

Myself and many of my colleagues are sending our children to school right now so we can work on the frontline. Would you rather we didn't? Thanks for making me feel even more shit than I already do

God... please ignore the lazy, ignorant comments @PrivateD00r People like to try and make themselves feel special and virtuous it seems. Not even based on anything factual.

@PrivateD00r thank you so much for everything you are doing. Please don’t feel bad about sending your children to school. They will be safe and mentally better than those sitting at home isolated. There is a lot of dramatisation going on here.

Thanks both of you, normally it washes over me, just having a bad day today I think! Thanks

As soon as we release lockdown there will be another spike within 4w.
A 10% immune is not going to help much when 1 person can spread quickly to thousands.

Lets start the summer holidays with some childcare provided in schools. The rate will be slower. (Might drop a lot if vit D does make a difference).
Lets look at the research around that and BCG.
In 4m time we could be looking at quite different info. There might be antibody tests.
If we were contact tracing we would know what the high risk things to open are. (Open plan offices/kids/etc)
Certainly more shops could open for delivery/click and collect. I think a lot of people want to buy stuff they cant get hold of.
Garden centres etc.

If even 50%less people were at work and only half kids at school that might mean a peak is half the size?
Surely many offices will chose to still wfh as if the kids are back thats increased risk to all other staff
Plus staff travelling by public transport.
It will be interesting to see what the numbers drop to as with lockown lots of people will still continue to get ill. Up to almost a month incubation. (How many will have got it sunbathing/exercising/from their deliveries?)
But the fact somethings have continued could lead to a slow continuous case count. And hopefully most key workers might be immune?

How awful uk will look though if when accounted for we have lost millions (it's much higher than they are saying due to home and care home deaths). And then in say sept they find drugs or a reginem or even a vaccine.

janes

People are absolutely that stupid and their conscience seems to work in an entirely different way to what you'd expect. Give them a week in lockdown to ponder why we're doing it (protect the NHS and NHS workers, cap numbers of ill people to allow vulnerable older people access to ventilators when/if they need it, protect vulnerable children from an unchecked virus ripping through the population) and what do they do?

Alternate between (a) saying there's no reason for them to stay in because they're not at risk and (b) claiming it would be heroic of them to go out and keep the country running (even though they're clearly not key workers because those required to work to keep the country running are currently at work).

Ov9
Not all keyworkers are having to go out to work.
I am a keyworker. I can't tell you what I do but it is a critical role. So I have had to find a way to do it remotely so I can wfh as that is what we have been instructed to do.
For whichever poster who claims there we dont need a building to educate our children we can do it....how? There are online resources but children still need help and support with the work they are set.
At the moment there is no school provision for DS as I can wfh. So I am working a FT job at home while trying to home school my child.
It is extremely difficult and stressful and to be honest I feel like I am failing my child who needs and deserves better and failing the people I am paid to support as everything is taking longer with a child at home.
So, will I send him to school when they open? Damn straight I will. The decision to open them wont be made until it is safe to do so, and he deserves so much better than what I can give him.

Privatedoor - my pal is a primary teacher and is on shift to look after key worker children and she says they are all VERY happy to do so and miss the others too x

Hopefully we won’t be long after Germany
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52299358

Livin if you're a key worker who can work from home, then there is no argument at all for heroically going out to work.

gin

That, if nothing else, shows how little you understand any of this. Just because Germany is doing what you like! Germany is in a completely different boat with different results of different decisions but you just don't care about that at all, do you.

It really depends how Germany are opening schools. If its anything like Denmark.

None of us know when they are going back to school but it won’t be down to you or me. I will be sending my daughter back as soon as the schools open and no I’m not a bad parent.

I hope schools here open for exams too. They are doing them in the Netherlands and seems also Germany. Good for them and UK should follow.