Are you going to send your kids back in when they reopen?

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Wondering if people will send them back.
As they think only 4-10% of population might have had it. And this peak was only 4w of school.
Im not shielding but isolating as much as possible because im
asthmatic.

I hope they say attendance isnt mandatory so people who need to/want to or are still WFH can keep them home if needed.

Childminder is obviously early years, not school aged children. And yes, early years is important!

@Gin96 You can't assume that at all. And it is risky to assume that. On average someone with the virus infect 2-3 other people. Which is why we need proper testing.

@Random18 The government wants to get us back to work. This is not about our children.

@Yurona A lot of kids go to nursery. There would not be enough childminders or enough who wanted to do it.

Random

Why do they need a building to be educated though? There's lots online for them to be doing and you know what key stage they are.
It's not ideal, but most teachers are setting work or direction given by schools or LA's.

@alloutoffucks I think it’s in all of our interests to get back to work! Not just the governments. Surely you cannot be that naive to think it is for the government. Who on earth do you think is going to pay for all this debt?

they don't need a building to be educated.

They need someone qualified to deliver that education.

Why are children so unimportant? Why do they not count?

If we don't stop it, a lot more people will die.

And I still don’t understand your proposal to stop this virus...

Dev I am not an educator, I am a parent.

I do teach my children to the best of my ability but I am not trained. Teachers are highly skilled professionals and there's no comparison.

I am highly skilled in what I do - I doubt many teachers could do my job.

I really hope parents will send the children back to schools when we reopen because I hope we will open at a point where we have sufficient testing, contact tracing and the daily deaths are below 50.

Anything above that and we are really playing roulette. Daily deaths in England today have come in at 651 - still too high for me to consider sending my own children back to school and still too high for me to consider going back and teaching as normal with over 900+ on roll.

Bool I have explained many times my proposal to stop this virus. That usually leads to you insulting me.
And I am looking forward to going back to work, I enjoy my job. It is not well paid but it is interesting and my colleagues are great.
Call me naive if you want, I just don't want thousands more people to die. We seem to be trying for a world record in the UK. Not content with being on track for the most deaths in Europe, we want to get schools back and everyone back to work asap to kill even more people.
I sadly suspect this will happen and thousands more will die. And that won't happen in countries who behave more sensibly. And posters like you Bool will be posting here saying no one knew this would happen and isnt hindsight a wonderful thing.

The truth is the government thinks thousands more dying is an acceptable price. That is the harsh truth.
Have you seen that Scotland have said schools will not be going back until after the summer holidays? That will be awkward as it will be obvious that schools going back early in England did kill thousands more, when there is a direct comparison with Scotland.

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I home educated for 4 years and I'm a teacher.
Nothing in my training was at all useful for home education.
In fact my "high skills" were irrelevant. You are right there's no comparison to H,education and school class education.
When you can't have the teacher and classroom, you just have to do it yourself, it's the parent's responsibility, not a building, LA, or teacher.
It's great to be able to outsource our kids education whilst we work, but it's not a right.

@Random18 of course the kids need to get back into school. This is such a ridiculous conversation above. We are about to go through the worst economic downturn for 300 years. We need to get the young back to work and that means opening the schools. Ultimately more people are going to die in the depression than from the virus. Again nobody wants this choice but this is the choice brought about by this bloody pandemic. That China should have been more open about at the beginning so it could have been contained.

I'll send mine back the minute I know that his teachers and support staff are satisfied that their working conditions are safe. Because I'm less worried about my child's health than I am about the health of teachers and support staff, many of whom are vulnerable to serious illness, and most of whom are unable to practice social distancing.

Just saw a photo of a Danish classroom set up for returning students...the desks are 2m apart...no way could we fit 26 kids in a room and adequately distance them.

@alloutoffucks I haven’t insulted you and I still don’t know your proposal to stop this virus. I am sure many scientists around the world would love to know your proposal too.

And it’s not about whether we enjoy our jobs or not. It is about us avoiding the worst economic depression for 300 years and the deaths and hardship that would bring.

And no we don’t ‘seem to be trying for a world record in the UK’. We are all in the most extraordinary lockdown and for the most part obeying it.

Allout - I’m no expert in care homes (!) but surely the numbers of those going to hospital and then getting it would be same as other adults going to hospital/gp appts, work etc

We aren’t testing teachers and students so have no idea how spread it is - it would help to know before sending kids back I think

No our lock down is nowhere near as harsh as most countries. Our list of key workers who are still allowed to work in workplaces is enormous.

And less people die during recessions than during times of boom. Read the research.

You mass test, contact trace and forcibly isolate. We don't even have a clue in the UK how many people have had this. Not a clue. How can we make any policy with so little information?

That is because the lockdown is not about stopping the spread of the virus. It is about slowing it down so we don’t crash the NHS. Again what is your proposal to stop the spread?

@alloutoffucks fewer people die in recession - tell that to people living in the developing world who will now fall into poverty. This is not just about our own backyard.

@Newgirls No it will be easier to get covid 19 in a hospital ward than in other public places. I know some patients who have not yet tested positive have been in general wards and only moved into covid 19 wards after testing positive.
Lying already ill in a hospital bed in a ward for 24 hours a day in close proximity to another patient who is infected, pretty much guarantees you will catch it too. The chances are the other person will be coughing.
In a public place you are not spending as much time in close proximity to one person and if you see someone obviously ill you will sensibly avoid them. It is similar to someone in your household getting it. Yes then your chances of catching it are high.

@Bool We are in the UK, I am talking about the UK. I am not pretending I know enough about say the Dominican Republic to say what they should do. I know in some countries the large plague of locusts encouraged by climate change pose a very immediate threat to life.
But in the UK we do not have to balance the impact of plagues of locusts against the impact of covid 19.

I’m not sure I understand why poorly pensioners would then go home to a carehome if ill? Or showing signs of illness?

I think my badly made point is that I think it will be more widespread than 4% and it would be useful to know.

You mass test, contact trace and forcibly isolate

Yes!

This.

Only ethical way out...