Are you going to send your kids back in when they reopen?

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Wondering if people will send them back.
As they think only 4-10% of population might have had it. And this peak was only 4w of school.
Im not shielding but isolating as much as possible because im
asthmatic.

I hope they say attendance isnt mandatory so people who need to/want to or are still WFH can keep them home if needed.

If we don't stop it, a lot more people will die.

Has the fact that more people are going to die in the UK than any other European country not bad enough? We need to try and kill more people by coming out of lock down too soon?

How would you know when ending lock down is too soon? What qualifications do you have to decide? Because clearly ending lockdown too late is also deadly and could potentially be more deadly than coronavirus in the long term.

Germany starting to talk about relaxing lockdown

m.dw.com/en/germany-set-to-consider-relaxing-coronavirus-restrictions/a-53109757

A huge number of (especially village) primaries are in old Victorian buildings - in my classroom housing 31 eight year olds, you can’t even walk around the tables without touching each other, let alone leave a 2m gap. And that’s without factoring in how even older children can’t help but touch everything in their vicinity.

I do wonder how we’ll manage social distancing in these circumstances (and I speak as someone keen to get back to normality when it is safe to do so).

thunderthighsohwoe.. our village primary school is exactly like this. There is absolutely no way kids and teachers could stay apart from each other. The only way would be to have about 5 kids in the classroom all sitting apart from each other and separated by dividers. I do worry about the impact this is having on our kids. DS is terrified about touching anything outside the home.

Not only village primary schools, my DD’s secondary has 1500 girls and staff in a building which is around 80 years old and is cramped even with newer outbuildings for science. The hallways are one way only to avoid mayhem on a normal day.

I posted on another thread:

Interesting Scientist on sky news

One thing he said was that we were arguably to slow to take interventions and the economy vs lives in not an either or. He said in the flu pandemic in USA those areas that locked down longer actually bounced back quicker than those that rushed it.

Maybe only schools with enough space should reopen? My son’s school has 16 kids per class, easily enough space per classroom. Each classroom has its own loos etc, and if they stagger breaks, no issue of keeping kids apart.
Smaller settings could go back before bigger ones

@refraction Yes I saw that too. I wonder if it is because half hearted measures and repeated short lock downs just drags out the pain and makes it harder for businesses because it goes on much longer? I know not all businesses are the same. But if our company started work again for example and we had to try and maintain social distancing say for a year, it would have more impact than being closed down for 3 months. Because it would mean a year of full pay for staff, but rotas and changes to how we work so that way less than a normal amount of work could be done. I know because we tried it before closing and it was frustrating. We have a tiny cramped office and a lab where we are socially distanced. It just meant people hanging about waiting to get access to the office before they could do anything else. We gave up after 2 days.

@yurona Do your kids go to a private school? Because I have never heard of a state school like that.
Like a poster above my teenage kids school has a 1 way system in corridors because it gets so crowded at break times and lunch. I thought that was pretty normal in City secondary schools?
Anyone who thinks kids can maintain social distance in your average state school has no clue. But maybe that is the issue? Maybe MPs saying these things have only went to private schools where maintaining social distance would have been possible?

I just cannot get my head around how most of the kids in London at least have not had this already. It must have raced through the schools in Feb/March. I cannot understand how it wouldn’t have seeing how contagious it is. My DS had sore throat, fever and cough end Feb. Classic symptoms. DH had it badly. I had a cough all March but no fever so didn’t think I had it. Was only when they said cough OR fever that it clicked. DD had nausea. We were all in and out of school and work end Feb and early March.

@alloutoffucks loads of small primaries are line that, and even smaller -composite classes of 8-12 kids aren’t that rare. not in london, but in rural schools its not unusual at all

@alloutoffucks let me guess, you are in london? london is not representative for all of the uk!

That’s what I think Bool - surely it has already spread through many schools? I’ve heard of suspected cases in 3 local schools.

The fact that it’s widespread in care homes that have far lower contact would indicate that it is all over the uk. I think gov knows this but as they can’t test/prove it it isn’t being discussed.

@NewGirls exactly. If it is so widespread in care homes how on earth did it not race through schools at least in London in March. It has happened already. It must have.

Haven’t read the thread but yes, will definitely send them back once schools are open.

@myself2020 No I am not in London, yes I am in a city. The only time I have come across such small classes in the state sector is in very rural schools. If you are talking about composite classes of 12 children I am guessing you are talking about very rural primaries. The average class size in England in primary schools is 27. Sure if you think you can maintain social distancing open them. The majority of people do not live in very rural areas though. So it will be a relatively small number of children.

@bool That is false assumption. The thought is care homes have the virus because of elderly residents in hospital sent back to care homes after catching corona in hospital. So acquired in hospital not in the community.

@alloutoffucks it would mean small schools, but tons of childminder settings who often only have 1 or 2 kids per day (or can fairly easily reduce to these numbers). Together, that’s an awful lot of kids (and parents who can work better).

From june onwards I think I would but will reassess as we go. Mental health requirements need to be also factored in. I'd love to see them go in for a few weeks before the summer hols.
I would imagine numbers will rise again and then we'll have a second lockdown at some point.

So it is about getting people back to work, not getting kids back to school?
So 2 kids sent to a childminder so their parents can get back to work.
Maybe possible. But most childminders take more kids than that because hard to make a living on what parents can pay for 2 kids. Especially if those kids went to school and parents are now being asked to pay a lot extra for a childminder. For those on NMW there would be little point financially going back to work. And that is a lot of people in the retail and leisure industry.

I think schools should go back when it is safe for us to return to near normal. So when MPs are sitting in parliament again, and we can take a British holiday, then schools will be safe.
But if MPs still don't think they are safe to return to work but expect school staff to, they can forget it.

@IdblowJonSnow Numbers of deaths will only rise again if more people get infected. Schools going back too early will do that.

I know of of one child at my daughters school who’s dad was a confirmed coronvirus case, her Mum worked at the school so the likelihood of most children have had it is probably very likely.

My kids need an education - not a childminder......