Second home owner

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Gorgeous weather here in Devon and yesterday morning the second home owners across the road turned up.
I've reported them to the police via email 101 but I'm still so angry that they have put our small hamlet of mainly over 60's at risk just because they fancied a change of scenery- they should be ashamed of themselves!
Please talk me down from going over there this morning😡😡

Gordon Brown was married and had kids when he was PM

He originally lived at No 10 when he was a bachelor. When he became PM he apparently moved into No 11 but moved back so presumably he preferred the flat he was used to. His kids were still quite young when he stopped being PM so a bit different to the Blairs with 4 kids and the older ones not little ones.

Yes I thought the flat was actually pretty big. I am sure years ago I watched something about this and Cherie was saying although it looked small from the outside, it was big inside.
And agree if a family with 4 kids can live there, a family with 1 baby can live there.
Cherie Blair was known to like her luxuries and was not a martyr, so she would not have stayed there if it was cramped.

There are more elderly people living in London than anywhere else.
www.ageuk.org.uk/london/about-us/media-centre/facts-and-figures/#

You don't know people's individual circumstances, perhaps they can no longer stay where they were before, perhaps it's a tiny flat? If they own the house I'm not sure if the courts could forbid them from being there, the issue is travelling to it

And for those who think life is better in London. The Age UK link states:
Although London is the richest city in the UK, rates of pensioner poverty are far higher in the capital compared to the rest of England, with 19% of older Londoners living in poverty compared to 14 elsewhere.[5] With living costs in London continuing to rise there is reason to fear that poverty and inequality among older Londoners may increase.

@okiedokieme Why would they not be able to remain in their own home? And tough if it is a small flat.

I have always found there is a sizeable number of well off people who think the rules just do not apply to them. You see it here.

@alloutoffucks I meant to say before the lock down and social distancing came in, there is a big difference between people who live in 2 houses, than say a proper holiday home that people visit say 5 times a year and rent out to friends/commercially in between. A house solely used by the people that live there every weekend, what you are considering a holiday home, they would consider their main residence. And for that reason if they travelled down the first day of the lock down and moved their entire family there, and they are staying there and working from home there, then that’s completely fine.

To the people with pitch forks thinking that those evil London people are bringing the virus to them, possibly. But also you brought it 3 weeks ago when you were in a service station the day before lockdown, or your sister when she went to London for that concert she through it was fine to go to despite everyone saying otherwise, or your brother when he went to the Cheltenham races against better judgement etc.

Or the people still moving around for food/deliveries etc

Disclaimer I own one home, no holiday home and don’t live in London.

evil people with pitchforks.......thinking evil London people bringing the virus to them..

WTf . The virus is is spread by travel.

It happened in Barcelona to the Costa Brava holiday homes. Paris to the regions. Northern Italy to the South. People decamping to their second homes, gites, holiday places. It is a matter of record.

it's got not alt to do with pitchforked locals getting jealous or thinking London people are evil.

Arrogant entitled rule breakers maybe.

“evil London people are bringing the virus to them”

Oh do give it a rest. I live in a big city and won’t visit my family in the countryside (and wouldn’t before the lockdown officially started) during this pandemic because I don’t want to risk their lives, or that of their neighbours. It’s not because I think I’m “evil”, it’s because I have a realistic view that viruses travel with people and not by magic.

I miss them a lot so forgive my not being fucking delighted if some total strangers expose them to a similar risk by staying in their rarely visited second home over the road.

People are being unbelievably thick. I had one “friend” say surely it’s better if the virus is spread out more evenly across the country, rather than being concentrated in London. Sure because London where there’s a major hospital every few miles is def the same as my home which is one hour minimum drive to a full equipped hospital.

There's some batshit ideas being posted here.

People are being asked to make a short term sacrifice for the benefit of the country and they appear to feel aggrieved about it. Thankfully the second home owners I know aren't behaving in this way. If I was to take this thread as being representative of all second home owners it would be easy to believe they are selfish and entitled.

If you've decided that all tourist and rural communities think anyone living in a city is an evil germ carrier then crack on but quite honestly you sound bonkers. Cities may have higher rates of infection but the virus is in circulation across the UK and you could catch it anywhere. It's probably best if you catch it where there is good healthcare provision, that is unlikely to be in the local area of your second home.

I have always found there is a sizeable number of well off people who think the rules just do not apply to them. You see it here.

Exactly.

The govt have asked everyone to stay in their home. Not to visit their second homes. Many local authorities in popular second home locations have reiterated this.

They are asking because it will save local lives.

All the ‘but, but, but’ and ‘It’s OK though because...’ is choosing to ignore that.

Any ‘but’ arguments are essentially saying comfort of yourself or others moving to their second home is worth risking the lives of others.

Aesop neither you nor anyone else has made a clear case for why Boris is an exception to his own advice.

If there is some reason he can’t return home then it really needs clarified.

A major hospital every few miles in London? Where in London do you live?

I bet the majority of those who left cities were locals returning to their families. Loads did it.

I have to say I'm fundamentally unfussed where Boris ends up - I imagine that it's easier to be properly isolated somewhere that isn't as full of other people's offices as Downing St. He'll be seen as a "national asset" (I know) rather than a person if you see what I mean. Stupid ministers on the other hand, are just being twats.

Ok how far do you think you are from your nearest major hospital in London? There are loads.

Cornwall has one for the whole county - and yes there are fewer people but they are a LOT further away!! Both geographically and in terms of travel time.

Toffee - I don't think locals returning to their families is ok either (that would be me). But I know there are more circumstances where that is ok (e.g. caring for elderly parents, escaping unacceptable living conditions, leaving student accommodation, end of tenancies).

Holidays - which is what second homers are on - are not an exception to the travel ban.

What about students then? Shouldn't they be staying in halls rather than traveling back to their second home???

i'm Cornish and living in Wales where there are similar issues with second home owners "coming to visit" during the travel ban and I can't get over all the ifs and buts on here!

Yes 2nd home owner, holiday maker whatever the ban applies to you.

Lol at the idea of students being able to afford a ‘second home’.

Many students returned to their primary residence with their parents immediately before lockdown.

What about students then? Shouldn't they be staying in halls rather than traveling back to their second home???

You really are clutching at straws now. Students have, for the most part, been asked to leave student accommadation, as they would be at the end of the academic year.

The trouble with Boris not following the rules he is imposing on others at great personal cost - and not explaining why his circumstances are somehow an exception - is that it will impact how large numbers of others behave. As his Behavioural Insights will know full well.