Second home owner

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Gorgeous weather here in Devon and yesterday morning the second home owners across the road turned up.
I've reported them to the police via email 101 but I'm still so angry that they have put our small hamlet of mainly over 60's at risk just because they fancied a change of scenery- they should be ashamed of themselves!
Please talk me down from going over there this morning😡😡

By this token then, people living in these rural idylls must agree not to avail themselves of the services if big city hospitals if the need arises for them to be transferred to better facilities as they would be taking them off city folk

being 'transferred to better facilities' doesn't in anyway translate to moving to an overstretched rural area, despite clear regulations, when facilities are already available near your primamry residence.

But by all means, everyone come down, bring your families! And the virus! but if someone you care about can't access treatment because the hospitals overload then you will have no business bleating about it.

Wow I don’t even own one home but I don’t begrudge people second homes.

Going to second homes spreads the virus and puts huge unnecessary strain on local health services and shops.

If you are going to tell someone to ‘be kind’ why not tell the second home owners?

In Wales we are not allowed to drive a short distance to exercise or walk the dog. Yet people think it’s ok to travel miles to their second homes. The number one rule of lockdown is Stay Home. The second is No Non Essential Travel. Does the rules only apply to some people while the rest do as they damn well please?

You did the right thing by reporting them OP. Let the police deal with it.

No answer from @Theredjellybean as to which house they are registered on the elected roll I see.

Those travelling to second homes have made the selfish choice and acted against govt guidelines.

Make all the excuses you like but you have chosen to do something that risks others lives because it makes your life a bit more comfortable right now. Excuses don’t change that and it’s on your conscience.

Small town near us has 2,000 permanent residents - during the summer it’s 4,000 residents with the influx of holiday makers. Surely people can see how a GP practise that is based on having a year round patient list of 2,000 might struggle in a time of pandemic & strain on the health service if it’s having to deal with double the numbers because everyone has come down to their second homes?

However I do enjoy going on holiday in the UK. I don't think I will again, however, as the vitriol towards people from other parts of the country is awful

The "vitriol" as against people flouting the lockdown guidelines (and indeed, the law!) in self-centred and thoughtless non-essential travel. and potentially risking overloading local services - medical, but also shops etc .

And assuming (maybe not consciously, but certainly sub-consciously) that because they can afford a second home, they have a right to travel to it at the moment.

The anger is aimed at selfish thoughtless people, not tourists or visitors generally.

But I wonder at the state of education in England if people can't tell the difference between private citizens going to private homes and the prime minister going to an official residence for convalescence.

Hmm, wealth, privilege, power? That's the only difference between them and us minions really . Also many of us are from the UK but not England.

The anger is aimed at selfish thoughtless people, not tourists or visitors generally

The willful misunderstanding is just manipulation. It's an attempt to shame or embarrass people as busybodies, stay at home stasi or little hitlers. Remarkable considering there are second home owners posting here who are clearly following guidance out of respect for the places where they own second homes. The message is clear enough to but those who think they are special.

Take your dog for two walks, drive a couple of miles to exercise in the country if you must, I won't be paying any attention. Drive several hours to visit your second home and I will report you.

To those staying at home, thank you.

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The message is clear enough to allbut those who think they are special.

I'm quite sure you don't think that a child with cancer in Cornwall should die because some people are offended at being asked to observe lockdown rules

Horrific and emotive example you've chosen there.

But getting back to Covid 19, you can't have it both ways. You can't say to city people they can't use your hospital but then if you develop Covid complications and need to go on a respirator in a central hospital you wouldn't decline would you?. Get it?

But getting back to Covid 19, you can't have it both ways. You can't say to city people they can't use your hospital but then if you develop Covid complications and need to go on a respirator in a central hospital you wouldn't decline would you?. Get it?

I've answered that already, but I'll do so again, being 'transferred to better facilities' doesn't in anyway translate to moving to an overstretched rural area, despite clear regulations, when facilities are already available near your primamry residence. Get It?

@Boredbumhead - you may not have noticed various people from the outlying regional areas affected by the selfish behaviour of second home owners (Cornwall, Cumbria, bits of the Welsh and Norfolk coasts) telling you : but the point is that there are 16 ITU beds for the whole of Cornwall And we haven't seen any Nightingale hospitals being built down there. Nearest one is in Exeter - 2 and a half hours by road from Truro ...

Nearest to Cumbria is probably the Newcastle Nightingale hospital.

So think, please.

Local resources (NHS/Police) are NOT based on permanent residents, they are based on demand. In areas like the Lake District or Cornwall planning of services will very much take into account the huge numbers of visitors at certain points in the year.

Let us also not forget that second home owners, for all their sins, also pay council tax towards the services in the area that they don’t use.

Second home owners have been told not to travel to them by the govt and by many of the local councils.

‘But but but’ is just excuses and trying to argue the rules don’t apply to you.

The rules are for everyone and if you flour them you have decided you are happy to risk others’ lives for your own comfort.

Flour = flout

Let us also not forget that second home owners, for all their sins, also pay council tax towards the services in the area that they don’t use

But they don't have to pay full council tax? Second home owners can get up to 50% discount on CT because they don't use the facilities all year round. Or, during a global pandemic when they've been told to stay at their primary residence.

I don't see whats so difficult to understand? Stay in your primary residence when there is a killer virus on the loose. An overflowing, rural hospital wont be able to treat ANYONE, local, visitor, second-homer or whatever.

Everything Lumene says.

Second home owners have been told not to travel to them by the govt and by many of the local councils. ‘But but but’ is just excuses and trying to argue the rules don’t apply to you.The rules are for everyone and if you flout them you have decided you are happy to risk others’ lives for your own comfort.

I don't see what there is to misunderstand here. It's just selfishness & arrogance.

FlockofGulls - thank you for clarifying. I agree about selfish thoughtless behaviour, and that everyone needs to respect the lockdown rules that we have at the moment. But, there is some horrible behaviour from a variety of different directions (including threats to people who have second homes, writing on cars etc.) I am not condoning what they have done at all - but I am saying that everyone needs to behave with respect - including people who live in tourist areas (NB I also live in a tourist area but not near the coast). (NB not saying you personally are or aren't - it is a general observation, not personal to you!)

Boredbumhead
You have conveniently ignored the explanation for why some services are centralised. The people using those specialist services will be within that services "catchement" area regardless of how close they live to the actual hospital. No one is having their cake and eating it know that scenario.

The example was used to highlight the absurdity of your position. I would not advocate for denying second home owners treatment if they became ill. I might be frustrated by their selfish, irresponsible behaviour but that is not a crime that deserves denial of essential medical treatment.

This thread is about asking people to respect lockdown so that people are less likely to find they cannot access healthcare if they need it.

You are at liberty to continue willfully misrepresenting the argument being made. People can continue to ignore lockdown rules which will just make this drag on longer for everyone which is presumably of no concern to those doing as they please anyway.

Big city/town hospitals are also overflowing and overstretched too not just country ones. In any case ITU beds are a national resource not a local one so if the local hospital is full you are taken to the next one.

@Lumene..i am only just back on mumsnet..because i have been at work ! Frontline clinical work.

I am registered at the house in cornwall, my dp at the flat in london.
The two dds at uni at the house in cornwall, the other 2 in london.

People who own second homes pay for local services just as permanent residents do. I would say they are entitled to choose to lock down in their second homes.

It's flitting from one to the other that should be discouraged. Pick one and stay there. Gordon Ramsey did that before official lock down but he's getting the pitchfork and torches treatment from some locals. Threats have been issued.

They love the city money when it suits them, though.

Second home owners have a terrible impact on local communities.

Big city/town hospitals are also overflowing and overstretched too not just country ones. In any case ITU beds are a national resource not a local one so if the local hospital is full you are taken to the next one
What part of global pandemic, national crisis are you not getting?

People who own second homes pay for local services just as permanent residents do No they don't, they pay less.

Confused by anyone who thinks Exeter is two and half hours from Truro. By horse and cart, maybe...