Daily numbers, graphs, analysis thread 4

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Welcome to thread 4 of the daily updates.

Resource links:
Worldometer UK page
Financial Times Daily updates and graphs
HSJ Coronavirus updates
Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Centre
NHS England stats, including breakdown by Hospital Trust
Covidly.com to filter graphs using selected data filters
ONS statistics for CV related deaths outside hospitals, released weekly each Tuesday

Thank you to all contributors for their factual, data driven, and civil discussions.

The issue of early intervention and oxygen is a big one.

Can you even do something at home?

One positive is that one of our consultants has developed a cpap mask using a snorkel mask which is effective, more comfortable, and uses less o2 flow!

The main thing that stops me completely freaking out over this whole situation is having witnessed first hand the absolutely marvellous staff, from cleaners to consultants, who are tasked with caring for us all.

Your consultant is clearly a diamond, as are you 💎

(And the two companies are also pretty cool)

we are going to overtake China today, arent we

Maybe Boris Johnson and his team really need to say where he was at with his symptoms and what they were as an example of when you should go to hospital

Well to change the model to early oxygen intervention I guess we need journalists to switch their questions from ventilators

We probably also just need to let the current crisis play out so people can catch their tails

Quartz it’s a good point. Pretty much everyone in the U.K. us waiting until they can hardly breathe before getting an ambulance, many a time 111 is an hour hold then disconnects.

Oh and evidence not anecdote!

I’m expecting a lower death figure today because it’s a weekend (and a bank holiday one at that)

Yes, likely to be a drop in both numbers, today and tomorrow, I think due to the weekend/Bank Holiday. And then a bounce up on Wednesday/Thursday next week.

Pretty much everyone in the U.K. us waiting until they can hardly breathe before getting an ambulance

Unfortunately, that is what we have been told to do. Don't go to hospital unless you can't finish a sentence or turn blue...

It is almost criminal.

Oakmaiden I know. It’s so bad. I think out of all the insight on here that difference is the worst.

Yes, I think figures will be low today, who h means eleventy threads saying "we've peaked huzzah"
Though won't today's figures scoop up numbers from Thursday and Friday and even earlier last week?

There will be a few scooped up from earlier, but since we are on day 3 of the long weekend, I would imagine that there won't be that many scooped up today. Most will wait til next week I suspect.

Wales 18
Scotland 24

England 657
Just waiting for NI.

Yes and I think its that model of 111 and waiting until you cant breathe that is what is causing all of this. And really they should be changing the advice because Boris shows what early intervention means

Is there any way of setting up triage centres that people can do to at that level of the disease and get seen and then decided if they need oxygen or not. We seem to have focused on getting the ventalator bit and forgotten that we should be trying to get it before then

*The issue of early intervention and oxygen is a big one.

Can you even do something at home?*

I believe this was happening in Bergamo whether by accident or design is difficult to know.

Lower figures for today then as suspected unless NI have an unusually high amount to report for them.

10,574 without NI.

Yes re early intervention Boris shows this and also Germany.

Out of all the things the media are pushing (mostly irrelevant as they do not have the information re lock down ending etc) I’d like to see a push on early oxygen investigation.

Maybe I need something at home (mildly asthmatic teen who likely would have died without the ambulance during an attack and bringing oxygen I assume, not sure).

Ventilators are incredibly invasive but also possibly too late. Patients often don’t survive and stay in hospital a long time.

Imagine if we could get everyone on earlier oxygen. And in and out like Boris.

(Not a medic would love to hear more from people who know more than I do).

A home pulse oximeter will indicate when additional oxygen support is required. It’s a good way of deciding when to seek medical support. Bet they are hens teeth at the moment (just like digital thermometers!)

www.blf.org.uk/support-for-you/breathing-tests/tests-measure-oxygen-levels

www.amazon.co.uk/Monitor-Oximeter-Saturation-Display-Lanyard/dp/B085VT9WFH/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=pulse+oximeter+child+and+adult&sprefix=pulse+ox&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1586699126&sr=8-4

where I work we are doing home pulse oximeter checks on those with covid19 at home

@Baaaahhhhh*,*@ChazsBrilliantAttitude,and @DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG

thank you for commenting on reasons for difference in death rate btwn Enland and Ireland .

I'd not considered urban density and BAME factors .

Or being admitted to hospital earlier ,

So interesting .

There is an oximeter on my phone (samsung) part of the health app if that helps.