Boris in ICU

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Oh Boris no 🙁

hopeishere how do you know? Sorry just finding this all crazy, I always thought he'd have private specialist healthcare as pm
Havent all private hospitals been given over to the NHS at cost? I thought I read that a few weeks ago. Also I doubt St Thomas's has a private ICU. I was put in a private room years ago because I had a suspected contagious disease. You just dont get looked in on as often as you do in an open ward. There just isn't the time even in normal circumstances. I ended up with a ruptured appendix and had emergency surgery but that was only because by chance a doctor on a routine look through came across my ultrasound.

It's really affected me, up by 4am and first thought if the day 'hope he's ok'

It was the first thing I thought about when I woke up as well.

My heart goes out to him and his family .Just wish for a speedy recovery for him .His fiancee must be terribly worried as well ,Will be praying for him .Hopefully once he recovers he will take advice to rest ,he has been chairing meetings, and giving nightly bulletins to us and this will have taken a toll on his health.

@coachman they also said he only had mild symptoms. Hope the ventilation thing is true, but wouldn’t surprise me if he was on a ventilator and we weren’t being told about. Hope it is true that he’s not though

What does not on a ventilator mean though? He may well be having CPAP, NIPPv or some other such not invasive ventilation. It depends how Gove classifies ventilation.

@Casino218 That’s a really good point.

The US has the highest death rate in the world from this.

No, they don’t. The number of deaths may be high overall but the rate is significantly lower than most of Europe. San Marino and Andorra have highest death rate per million people population.

It's really affected me, up by 4am and first thought if the day 'hope he's ok'

He is only one member of our government and only one of many thousands who are desperately ill from this awful virus.

I wish him and everyone else in ICU across the country and worldwide well, of course, but nothing will come crashing down for the country as a whole if he doesn't make it. It's not a game-changer. His friends and family will be devastated but so will the friends and family of all the others who don't make it.

If he is in ICU as a precaution, I hope the decision was made solely on medical need and not because of his status. Nobody should be prioritised because of their job.

I'll be praying for him and his loved ones tonight.
I think by the time this is all over you will be lucky to be in a family not touched by this virus, one way or another.
Come on Boris

In a tiny population like San Marino, a relatively small number of deaths will be a large number of deaths per million. 21 people have died in San Marino. You can't statistically compare San Marino's mortality rate to the US. Well I suppose you can, but it shows a lack of understanding of statistical analysis.

It reminds me when a top college that only took men was going to admit women. Those against this proposal circulated leaflets saying that the kind of women who were going to be admitted were not of the right sort and proof of this was that 50% of the women were divorced. The college was going to admit 2 women.

@poppinjay I read yesterday that they had a bed ready for him at St Thomas since the middle of last week. I think status will definitely effect the treatment he has; he will probably be being cared for on a 1:1 basis, and monitored round the clock. The average Joe wouldn’t get this.

@Noodlenosefraggle

Yes, my partner works for one of the groups providing the hospitals. They are indeed being provided at cost price and are just being used by regular patients so more beds can be freed up. He said they do have ventilators there and there are fully trained doctors on hand if needed.

The average Joe wouldn’t get this.

ICU is 1:1 nursing. Perhaps not under current pandemic circumstances but generally, if you are in ICU a specialist nurse is assigned to your bedside 24/7.
They aren’t even allowed to pop to the loo without cover.

My dad has been in icu at least 3 times. He’s always had 1:1 nursing.

Sorry. That’s what I meant - unfortunately it’s currently not 1:1, but I’m sure Johnson will get 1:1 treatment (how it usually is).

I remember reading it’s 1:6 at the mo

I think status will definitely effect the treatment he has; he will probably be being cared for on a 1:1 basis, and monitored round the clock. The average Joe wouldn’t get this.

Why do you think this? As many have pointed out the usual ratio of care in critical care units is 1:2, with constant monitoring. ICU is a great leveler, as all patients require a high amount of care regardless of who they are.

Yes the average Joe would get this - ICU is topnotch 1:1 nursing .
Wishing him and all the others at home / hospital and ICU well . Sympathies with the families of those affected who can't offer their usual presence and support .

but I’m sure Johnson will get 1:1 treatment (how it usually is).

You can't be sure of this at all. ICU staff will currently be giving the best levels of care they can to all patients, regardless of who they are.

Those talking about a 50-50 chance of survival once on a ventilator- does ventilator here refer to intubation or also non invasive like high flow/CPAP?

‘ I remember reading it’s 1:6 at the mo’

Pretty sure that’s in the long wards of the Nightingale, not in ICU

@riverbat I think that figure refers to invasive ventilation only. ( from my time nursing patients on CPAP).

The idea that Boris will not be treated preferentially is crazy. He is clearly in intensive care long before others would be. In addition, I suspect that, were he to be intubated, it would be done by the consultant, not an overtired junior.

And, if there are any drugs which could potentially be of help (chloroquine, remdesivir etc) he will be getting them.

It is no guarantee but, if I were that sick, I would rather be the PM than me!

The 1:6 is the worst case figure for when we hit proper crisis. I don’t think the NHS is at that point yet? The redeployment of nursing staff from elsewhere to London was supposed to stave it off? I hope London isn’t at that point yet...

www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-intensive-care-staffing-ratios-dramatically-diluted/7027214.article

(This source is the trade journal for managers in the NHS)