Exercise could be banned - Matt Hancock

[LittleRen]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035

"Matt Hancock told the BBC's Andrew Marr that the government would "take action" if further measures are needed to bring the coronavirus under control.

It comes after reports of groups of people gathering in parks during sunny weather this weekend."

So do we think this will happen - normally this is how it goes, the threat comes, and a week later it's reality. It's a shame that people still flouted the rules this weekend :(

I can't see a thread on this already but please let me know if there is one!!

480 “ Naples was busy Friday,nowhere near normal but the markets were open,”

Food markets?

This is looking more and more suspicious.

The government would be wise to consider why people are 'flouting the rules'.

Hint: Its because in the real world, there is far less buy-in to this approach than there is on MN.

Lots of people don't think it is a good idea to sacrifice their DC's futures to buy elderly and sick people a few more years of what will most likely be poor health anyway.

It's a harsh reality, but people are voting with their feet.

Yes, the people who go to gyms are now running. Not rocket science.

Imagine Corona was a Gunman
You were told stay home or get shot.
Would you then demand to exercise?

I have never lived anywhere without woods or fields near by?

Equally, it's worth bearing in mind that when the government has floated strategies like "herd immunity" and we as a country pushed back, they did massively change strategies- so if you feel strongly about this, then it's worth trying to make your voice heard.

If this is mainly a London issue, and London is also the epicenter of the current outbreak, perhaps restrictions need to be put in place in London first?

@DCOkeford so their parents will shuffle off with covid saving on care home fees and leave all their lovely £££ to the family, is that what your are inferring?

It's what happened in Italy so was bound to be our next step

There’s not much point in completely sealing it all off. Numbers will fall by enough (?) due to actions.

Other people will be second wave. We’re not doing a China.

We have more hope keeping SD in place if people don’t go crazy inside no sun. Plus I really do worry about dc cooped up in flats.

Anyway there’s easy way through people have to get it before the vaccine, just not all at once.

However, when Matt Hancock stands in the official press briefing on Friday and can't even say "no, people shouldn't be having picnics" when asked outright, it's easy to understand why people are confused.

They were similarly hazy when asked whether you can travel to exercise. I don't think you can really afford to be hazy when you're talking about such big changes to everyone's everyday lives!

Things people can no longer do:
Team sports, golf, rock climbing, swimming, yoga class, walking round the shops, visiting relatives, going out for lunch.
YES there are more people out walking because everything else is closed to them (rightly so).
YES the world feels different and there are more people in my usual quiet haunts than I would like, but I understand why they are there.

We can't let fear cloud our rational judgement about what is reasonably safe and what isn't.
If your co worker goes and plays tennis with her husband on a council court, and doesn't touch anything communal, that's pretty safe.
If your neighbour goes out twice a day, once for a run, once for a walk with her kids, that's pretty safe.
A family walking round the block together is not the same as having a street party and snogging all the neighbours.

It's very tempting to be able to blame someone else for this horrible situation, but most people are behaving reasonably, they really are.
The only people to blame are the government for their appalling lack of prior planning.

No easy way through

@DCOkeford so their parents will shuffle off with covid saving on care home fees and leave all their lovely £££ to the family, is that what your are inferring?

I imply , you infer

To answer your point, just have a look outside, that appears to be exactly what people are doing.

London is the epicentre but it’s also got a dense population in flats.

Tbh I’d say if you have a garden use it instead, over stopping everyone.

DCO, that's true. It is a question of the greater good - 60m people and their life chances or the much smaller number of Covid deaths also when compared against 500,000 people who die a year anyway in the UK. The Government only imposed lock down when it did because it knew and said that the time people do not tolerate it for long so it will also have to lift it reasonably soon or there will be civil unrest. Many of us favour the Swedish approach. I disagreed with Government policy from the point when they closed the schools. However I am personally complying and only going out in fact only for work purposes allowed by law., Even my food shopping my sons did this week and I only exercise in the garden but that's dead easy for me. People in tiny flats will end up killing each other if they are not allowed out.

“ Imagine Corona was a Gunman
You were told stay home or get shot.
Would you then demand to exercise?”

Russian roulette and a quick death? Sure. Better than the slow decline I’m looking at now.

“ The only people to blame are the government for their appalling lack of prior planning.”

This.

@posterLilacTree1 imagine the army policing the parks etc. in cities, with a shoot to kill policy, that would bring the buggers to heel.

Scruffy “ have never lived anywhere without woods or fields near by?”

Lucky you.

It is not sacrificing you child's future to save the lives of old and vulnerable. I hope you are not overweight by the way, that's a huge risk factor and affects around 1/3 of the population. Want to lose many of your friends?

It's also about protecting your life and your child's life and the doctors and nurses who will be needed if your child gets meningitis or cancer or breaks a leg..be daft for your child to die of septis because there is no health service left to treat a minor injury

It's about avoiding riots that could occur if bodies pile up in streets because there is no more spaces, people buried in plague pits

It's also about putting the country in a strong position to recover from the recession that the virus causes

Apparently in Spanish flu case, where there was strong and long lockdown in some states, they avoided the worst of the world wide depression that followed

Imagine Corona was a Gunman
You were told stay home or get shot.
Would you then demand to exercise?

No, I'd demand the government stepped up the adequately handled the gunman. What I wouldn't do is tell my neighbour that being shot was their fault for going for a walk.

Stupid analogy.

The NHS cannot cope with everyone getting sick at once, so we need to die in a timely way.

Would you play Russian roulette if the odds were 996/1000 chance you live? Yeah, probably, if the alternative was ... stay inside for three months then play Russian roulette ..

^Imagine Corona was a Gunman
You were told stay home or get shot.
Would you then demand to exercise?^

But it's not a gunman, and the two are nothing like the same.

I'm no more likely to die from Coronavirus than I am to get run over, because all I do is go for a walk every couple of days, and I'm lucky if I see 3 people.

justasking I’d be straight out there. But is that what you want? Have you applied to live in North Korea?