What are the rules re exercise??

[Chocolatedaim]

Hey everyone
Just wanted to clarify are there any rules on how long it is acceptable to be outside exercising?
I live in NE London in a converted flat, no access to outside space. I have been going out for a walk with the kids, usually before 9.30. Walking for about 5k over the marshes.
Then later on in the day, about Dusk, I have been going for a 5-7k run by myself. Always observing the social distancing rules, only going out with my children or husband, or alone, never meeting anyone outside our family. But I’ve started to see things appear online that suggest you should be out for less than an hour a day. I haven’t been able to find any official guidance stating this so wanted to clarify on here? Any advice appreciated.

And there are many other families dealing with very challenging circumstances too. Like someone with dementia. I had a patient try to break my arm once - thankfully there were several staff available to help. What if that happens in the community?

They don't care about challenging circumstances. They care about the cost of it and number of staff involved.

Which applies equally to a person with dementia. Respite care and day centre closed. Individual gets violent because they can't go out. Spouse/carer attacked refuses to care for them anymore.

Where's the difference between that situation and a person with autism?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/04/02/france-eases-lockdown-autistic-people-can-go-reassuring-places-12499265/amp/

Erm, the metro newspaper is hardly a reliable source is it?

I don't think anyone on here has said people with autism are the only exceptional case. They have explained why the French government has made them an exceptional case - because of what has happened since lockdown began.

What a petulant response . Are you refuting it's accuracy then? Here is another link but if you don't believe that one you'll need to google it yourself I am afraid. It was announced last Thursday on World Autism Awareness Day.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/live-updates/coronavirus-update-covid-19-latest-news-2020-04-02/

I read the article. Macron said they will be allowed some extra time out. Not they are, but will be. Let's see what materialises. He also said in order to go to familiar places where they feel safe - where's that then? What if it's school or any other place that's closed?

I'm afraid I can't tell you any of that, not being Macron or any of his immediate staff. Perhaps you could drop them an email?

Why are you so annoyed that a very vulnerable group of people now have something that may make their lives tolerable?

Because there are a lot of vulnerable people for whom this situation is intolerable. Sorry, I don't think that any specific group is more deserving than another.

Sorry, I don't think that any specific group is more deserving than another.

Too bad. That's the new guidance in France at least. Coming soon to the UK with any luck . It's clear that you only agree with guidance that fits in with your own belief system and enjoy castigating others for not submitting to it. When guidance is implemented that you don't like however, you argue strenuously against it. What hypocrisy.

I think this situation should be made as tolerable as possible for as many as possible.
The government should deal with the non social distance adheres slapping a curfew and tag on them if needed rather than sounding like a teacher who can't control a class.

Funny you demanding sources when you've been spreading ill-informed crap from Twitter and FB on here for over a week at least Hooves.

Yes they'll be allowed time out but currently are not because Frances lockdown is so strict that a special form for Police checks is being issued which will take a few days.

And you asking about what happens for people with dementia or MH issues is so transparent since you've made it very clear on numerous other threads that you don't think any of that matters and all that matters is you being in strict isolation (though living with your DP so not alone) and understandably wanting out of it and to you, there is NO reason for ANYONE to not be doing exactly what you want them to do, law or not, guidelines or not, to make it better for you.

So don't pretend you're musing about who it should or shouldn't apply to. You're quite clear on numerous threads that everyone should be staying at home, no excuses, no exceptions. So you can get back to normal life a.s.a.p and you have no regard for anyone else but you.

I don't think there should be exceptions, no, because I don't think that the reasons being claimed for those with autism don't apply to many other groups too.

So, you apply them to people with autism ( is this everyone with autism?) and then many other groups claim that they too should be a special case. That then means there's more people exempted from lockdown than in lockdown. So, then what?

I'm still wondering where these familiar safe spaces are going to be.

And frankly yes, if the government think it's ok to confine the shielded to three months indoors then everyone else should be compelled to adhere to going outside once per day.

So there we go hooves. That's your opinion based on your selfish view of your situation; while accusing others of being selfish while you're not giving 2 shits about how awful their life is just so long as you can get out and about a.s.a.p.

Don't pretend it's about you caring for the NHS, or other people. It's about you and how hard it is for you. For other people it's about how hard it is for them. There are varying degrees of hardship and you don't want to consider that.

So okay. You posting on numerous threads about what you think other people or Governments are doing is wrong isn't going to change what other people or Governments are doing. It's just upsetting you and other people.

@RollaCola84 and he’s still ill? How do you know that exactly?

No so there we are anything.

The government have set rules. Matt Hancock has just been on reiterating them. Everyone should have to follow them.

My concern absolutely is for the staff in the NHS. The longer this goes on for the more people suffer, through illness, through death, through loss of income. Call me selfish if you like but I'm not out and about infecting others. The real selfish people are the ones ignoring or flouting the rules for their own benefit.

"I'm still wondering where these familiar safe spaces are going to be."

And that sort of belittling comment sums you up. I won't try to explain because you don't really want to know and you won't get it.

Or maybe sneering rather than belittling. Either way unpleasant.

Why is it belittling? It's a reasonable question. How many of these familiar places are going to be compliant with social distancing?

Presumably, the only compliant places will be outdoors, they can't be schools, or family houses can they?

@twinnywinny14 watch the video clip on the news

Yes because people with autism usually want to go where there are lots of other people - not.

They usually want to go somewhere because there are no other people there.

Nope hooves. No 'rules'. Government has set legislation that can be enforced but also allows for a significant amount of 'reasonable excuses' to leave your home. Including shopping for necessities including food (no limit of number of number of times shopping and no definition of necessary foods) exercise alone or with members of your household (no limit on how many times, duration or what form that should take).

Guidance is different. YOU think no-one should be going out unless able to justify it to YOU. So the 'guidelines' you keep referring to are not 'rules'. And you frequently quote them incorrectly.

YOU think people shouldn't go outside more than once a day for any reason. That's not law. Not even guidelines. And an astonishing level of self- absorption on your part that you are unable to consider anybody elses circumstances other than your own and what YOU think (not backed by evidence) think needs to happen to get your life back on track.

You don't care about NHS workers unless it fits your personal narrative. You don't care about me developing PTSD from being assaulted by a person with Autism and the other NHS and emergency staff that it could happen to now because you don't think there should be 'any exemptions'. No circumstance in which you think people should be able to go out more than once a day or go to parks or travel to go somewhere familiar which would calm a non NT person. Or even go for a drive to calm that person.

You don't care about the NHS workers (including me) desperately trying to help their patients cope with lockdown and if going to the park or to the shop to buy a non-essential means you don't kill yourself today, that's good. You think that's selfish and those people should just 'stay home' and stop 'making excuses' to subvert the 'rules' when the 'rules' say they CAN go to the park or the shop. So the potential loss of those lives and the impact on the NHS staff working with them doesn't matter to you. 'No exceptions' right?

You claim to support nurses but only the small number (in proportion to the number of nurses) dealing directly with COVID on wards. Because that allows you to scream 'what about the nurses?' to justify your own selfishness in wanting this to be over a.s.a.p for YOUR life to improve and screw anyone else, including many, many nurses.

Your selfishness knows no bounds. And what's worse is you can't see it. Thank God you're not working as a nurse anymore.